Leo
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is Stockhausen still canceled from 9/11?
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is Stockhausen still canceled from 9/11?
wektor
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Well, kind of, but in a very tongue in cheek way I would say.
mvuent
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does seem like he is cancelled a bit. taken to be this stuffy, elitist, problematic establishment figure. of course, at the time when hymnen was made his reputation was almost the exact opposite. the bigwig classical critic of the era harold schonberg wrote a review of one performance of it called “stockhausen: pied piper of the young” that's spent puzzling over the bright eyed, casually dressed, young audience who evidently flocked to the performance.
Some of the people associated with Fluxus already had a problem with him when Hymnen was made.
"Stockhausen had been the subject of protests for over a decade before the original publication of Cardew's book, Stockhausen Serves Imperialism , in 1974. Henry Flynt- the artist and musician associate with Fluxus, Conceptual Art (a term he partially coined) and (briefly) the Velvet Underground - had released several manifestos with titles such as Fight Musical Decoration of Fascism and Picket Stockhausen Concert.1 He had twice protested performances of Stockhausen's music, and was joined on the picket line by artists Tony Conrad, Ben Vautier and George Maciunas (who designed his protest leaflets)."
"One further composition reached England in 1964 when the Merce Cunningham Dance Company were at Sadler's Wells and the Phoenix Theatre for a season. Cunningham had choreographed a composition called 2 Sounds. The composer had provided two sounds on separate tapes, to be started at different points during the ballet. When the first sound starts you cannot imagine that any more horrible sound exists in the whole world. Then the second sound comes in and you have to admit you were wrong." -Cornelius Cardrew
mvuent
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i know, that's why i said "almost" - but flynt and cardew were ultra contrarians who hated basically everything. (and i mean that kind of affectionately.) you'll sometimes see people quote the title of that book, stockhausen serves imperialism, as though it's an own specifically against stockhausen, but if they actually opened the book they'd immediately realize cardew was trashing a much broader area of culture (as w/ the above quote lol) and saw him (and cage, but he's not in the title so no one ever brings it up) as a figurehead. i don't think cardew or the book should be dismissed, but imo it's worth noting where his aesthetic judgement ended up shortly after he wrote it... not just hating "bourgeois" artists like stockhausen but also music the actual working class people in his area listened to (reggae) and deciding that the best pursuit available to him as a composer was rewriting "funky gibbon" to have didactic marxist lyrics. pretty narrow and joyless confines.
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ta - for 1/2 when it eases off the volume and lets its more strange subtleties kick in
your previous Harrison listing came to mind in the cartographic ambient thread
wektor
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i would listen to that
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wektor
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have you been there/know anyone who's been there?
it sounds fun and very acousmatic, for the record. If it was recorded recently, I would even blame him on sounding quite conservative, but then I guess bleed of that class of electroacoustic into indie computer music was still kinda fresh?
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I know people who've been there, but I haven't been myself. It's an old set from around the time he released Vanilla Call Option on PAN.
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wektor
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Never heard of the record, but was more or less what I expected (and not at all diverging in quality from the Boiler Room set as one of the youtube commenters claimed) – pretty neat.