Roaring 20's?

thirdform

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oh, ok, i was actually just talking about dressing smartly and shaving lol

Well yes. Every Turk hates Boris now because he's dishonoured his ancestry by dressing like a filthy degenerate tramp.

Even though he has much more power than your imitate the oppressor complex Turk.
 

luka

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Although many associate Turks with a typical Mediterranean or Middle Eastern look, their appearances are diverse, partly because of the span of the Ottoman Empire. As it shrank, Muslims from lands in the Balkans and around the Black Sea moved to Anatolia. Even earlier, Byzantine emperors were known to employ Viking bodyguards.

However, claims that Mr Johnson’s hair comes from a Circassian slave girl, from what is now southern Russia – who was supposedly bought as a concubine and then became the wife of his great-great-grandfather – are derided by locals in Kalfat.

“We’ve never heard of such a thing,” said Bayram Tavukcu, who serves as mukhtar, or village leader. “It sounds far-fetched and wouldn’t explain why there were so many people with blonde hair until recently.”
 

thirdform

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of course, I'm not all conspiracy minded but I don't believe that Boris's great grandfather was Ali Kemal bey. Not because I have any love for him, istanbulites are intolerable on the whole (it's why we turned it into Kurdistan after all) but at least he would take ablutions 5 times a day if he had ottoman ancestry. but because his demeanour constantly farts out scraps of wetherspoons bacon he's never approached the creator with reverence in his life. even a hard core marxist such as myself has approached the creator with reverence.
 

thirdform

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even yugoslav christians are very clean people. They understand it. No traipsing around with shoes in the house. what an awful habit of civilisation.
 

version

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what last scraps what looming destiny i've been hearing that the apocalypse has been coming for the last 8 years now

It isn't necessarily to do with the Apocalypse - unless you can consider stagnation to be The End - but recently read this from Graeber on postmodernism,

"In retrospect, it seems to me that entire fin de siècle cultural sensibility that came to be
referred to as “postmodernism” might best be seen as just such a prolonged meditation on
technological changes that never happened. The thought first struck me when watching one
of the new Star Wars movies. The movie was awful. But I couldn’t help but be impressed by
the quality of the special effects. Recalling all those clumsy effects typical of fifties sci-fi
films, the tin spaceships being pulled along by almost-invisible strings, I kept thinking
about how impressed a 1950s audience would have been if they’d known what we could do
by now—only to immediately realize, “actually, no. They wouldn’t be impressed at all,
would they? They thought that we’d actually be doing this kind of thing by now. Not just
figuring out more sophisticated ways to simulate it.”

That last word, “simulate,” is key. What technological progress we have seen since the
seventies has largely been in information technologies—that is, technologies of simulation.
They are technologies of what Jean Baudrillard and Umberto Eco used to call the “hyper-real”—the ability
to make imitations more realistic than the original. The entire postmodern
sensibility, the feeling that we had somehow broken into an unprecedented new historical
period where we understood that there was nothing new; that grand historical narratives of
progress and liberation were meaningless; that everything now was simulation, ironic
repetition, fragmentation and pastiche: all this only makes sense in a technological
environment where the only major breakthroughs were ones making it easier to create,
transfer, and rearrange virtual projections of things that either already existed, or, we now
came to realize, never really would. Surely, if we were really taking our vacations in
geodesic domes on Mars, or toting about pocket-sized nuclear fusion plants or telekinetic
mind-reading devices, no one would ever have been talking like this. The “postmodern”
moment was simply a desperate way to take what could only otherwise be felt as a bitter
disappointment, and dress it up as something epochal, exciting and new."
 

forclosure

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It isn't necessarily to do with the Apocalypse - unless you can consider stagnation to be The End - but recently read this from Graeber on postmodernism,

"In retrospect, it seems to me that entire fin de siècle cultural sensibility that came to be
referred to as “postmodernism” might best be seen as just such a prolonged meditation on
technological changes that never happened. The thought first struck me when watching one
of the new Star Wars movies. The movie was awful. But I couldn’t help but be impressed by
the quality of the special effects. Recalling all those clumsy effects typical of fifties sci-fi
films, the tin spaceships being pulled along by almost-invisible strings, I kept thinking
about how impressed a 1950s audience would have been if they’d known what we could do
by now—only to immediately realize, “actually, no. They wouldn’t be impressed at all,
would they? They thought that we’d actually be doing this kind of thing by now. Not just
figuring out more sophisticated ways to simulate it.”

That last word, “simulate,” is key. What technological progress we have seen since the
seventies has largely been in information technologies—that is, technologies of simulation.
They are technologies of what Jean Baudrillard and Umberto Eco used to call the “hyper-real”—the ability
to make imitations more realistic than the original. The entire postmodern
sensibility, the feeling that we had somehow broken into an unprecedented new historical
period where we understood that there was nothing new; that grand historical narratives of
progress and liberation were meaningless; that everything now was simulation, ironic
repetition, fragmentation and pastiche: all this only makes sense in a technological
environment where the only major breakthroughs were ones making it easier to create,
transfer, and rearrange virtual projections of things that either already existed, or, we now
came to realize, never really would. Surely, if we were really taking our vacations in
geodesic domes on Mars, or toting about pocket-sized nuclear fusion plants or telekinetic
mind-reading devices, no one would ever have been talking like this. The “postmodern”
moment was simply a desperate way to take what could only otherwise be felt as a bitter
disappointment, and dress it up as something epochal, exciting and new."
and i prefer this definition of stagnation compared to the Fisher "cancellation of the future" one that tends to get trotted about so much

which you could just so much rephrase it to "i liked it then but i don't like it now"
 

forclosure

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i've got a folder of Graeber stuff that i'v been meaning to read only read a little bit of his stuff

seemed like an alright guy one of the few after Occupy failed who managed to keep a decent lid on his head
 
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