To What Extent Was 'Zomby - Where Were U In '92?' A Real Jungle Album?

luka

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whole sweaty room full of lads. that lot just playing tunes like it was a club. i'll have that one.
 

thirdform

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apparently one of the happy hardcore boys, maybe hixxy? pulled the needle off one of the dubs when it was cutting because they thought the calm before the storm had meant it stopped and goldie went psycho.

also he chucked alex reece down a flight of stairs lol.

not sure where i heard the happy hardcore one though.
 

thirdform

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What’s your take on him @thirdform ? Or anyone else who cares to share

I found the tune from him again which I really liked at the time.

Actually sounds quite influenced by the stuff Duncan Spirit was doing in '98



can't play it anymore though, not for political reasons, you understand. but because he dogwhistled to generate controversy for 15 minutes. It's like that dave chappelle sketch on whiteboys and weed. not cool. that attitude is only acceptable in cracker whiteboy punk subcultures where you stick a carrott up your mates arse. Every other culture in the world, that is automatic death sentence. you must, never, pass out. We are all about smart and sexy. no representation of dumb gentrifiers.

SAD!
 

thirdform

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at least until he comes round to being cool again when everyone has forgotten about him in 10 years. punk subculture has been a net negative for humanity. Sun Ra supported Nixon, and treated the arkestra like his personal monastery, but, and I cannot stress this enough, his music always remained cool. When was punk music ever cool after december 31st, 1977?
 

thirdform

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I think I’d totally have to concede that if I’m being consistent! Unfortunately, the people today who make appeals to Adorno in their cultural critique miss this point altogether, precisely because their conservative sensibility’s fealty to Art fears nothing more than ‘zoomers on tik tok’

dilbert1 skullstep excavation time!



Look you can say some elements of my taste in music are boring, but you have to concede I'm the best, if perhaps the only, true modernist barbarian on this forum.

even @luka agrees

Everyone else has an element of the feudal nostalgic about them, whereas I bring the feudal into the contemporary, kicking and screaming.

do I unconditionally love that switch technique tune? no not really at all, it's too cartoonish and gauche. Do I like it and find it thought provoking? of course.

and the latter is more rational.
 

thirdform

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it is advisable not to be too defeatist. modernism must come back. Habermas is wrong. It is an incomplete project, but not deficient or unfinishable. It will be concluded with the barbaric asian wave already germinating in Europe and America. This is why he is so terrified of hamas, even as you rightly note, the best that can be said about them is they are a bourgeois nationalist movement, and even that is stretching it. KEEP THE FAITH!

communism on the completion of modernism, this is what we militate for.
 

0bleak

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dilbert1 skullstep excavation time!



Look you can say some elements of my taste in music are boring, but you have to concede I'm the best, if perhaps the only, true modernist barbarian on this forum.

even @luka agrees

Everyone else has an element of the feudal nostalgic about them, whereas I bring the feudal into the contemporary, kicking and screaming.


whoah there, nelly
You can't say "everyone" after the over-the-top 2009 Halloween mix I just sent you - one that got blowback from "serious" dance music fans.
and you KNOW I'm always digging for new stuff and always combining multiple styles and eras.
With that said, the problem I have with a lot of skullstep and similar is that the production suffers from what a lot of modern pop suffers from - no life and the dynamics completely squashed - but even then I've got some in the collection.
 

thirdform

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whoah there, nelly
You can't say "everyone" after the over-the-top 2009 Halloween mix I just sent you - one that got blowback from "serious" dance music fans.
and you KNOW I'm always digging for new stuff and always combining multiple styles and eras.
With that said, the problem I have with a lot of skullstep and similar is that the production suffers from what a lot of modern pop suffers from - no life and the dynamics completely squashed - but even then I've got some in the collection.

tbf I'm just throwing random junk at the wall to rile dilbert and @other_life see if either of them take the bait.

Need to listen to your halloween mix, it's in the playlist cue. will get on it pronto.
 

dilbert1

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Unaware of skullstep, if I were out, the mood was right and the dancefloor animated I could see myself somatically triggered by the beat change at 2:10. But I feel it lacks technique, modernism makes a science of barbarism, a higher level of brutishness. In this I can appreciate the unrelenting techno aspect but for me its very hard to top sophisticated breakbeat manipulation. And playing with samples of human speech, which this doesnt have, but similar sense-scrambling aims your discussing

 

thirdform

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Unaware of skullstep, if I were out, the mood was right and the dancefloor animated I could see myself somatically triggered by the beat change at 2:10. But I feel it lacks technique, modernism makes a science of barbarism, a higher level of brutishness. In this I can appreciate the unrelenting techno aspect but for me its very hard to top sophisticated breakbeat manipulation. And playing with samples of human speech, which this doesnt have, but similar sense-scrambling aims your discussing



yeah, you and @0bleak are right about this, it definitely lacks technique and everything is overcompressed. Which is why I don't love it, and have no rush to acquire it.

but yeah i can respect its brutal functionalism.

This sort of thing from Danny Breaks subverts minimalistic jump up/aggy dnb in a more interesting fashion imo. feels like the bassline is reversing in realtime without the reverse effect. With a breakbeat so rigid it conjures a memory of a cyborgs distant body. actual neuro-avant-funk.



now this i luv 2 da max. big one.

As for techstep this is always the direction it should have evolved in, heard equinox play it out once as well as on a scientific wax show. an all time favourite:

 

thirdform

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more nocturnal gloomy arcon 2/leon mar madness.



cue white man on dissensus from 2005 moaning but it's not ragga jungle why don't the black owned labels conform to my analysis of symbols and significations (for context) see the funkiness thread

4 hero being a case in point. how could they change from being the most cutting-edge avant garde rave outfit (that were so far ahead at the time that they left a lot of ravers confused) to end up doing slick note-perfect covers of jazz funk classics? utterly disapointing.

i guess it depends how you define funk. is it defined by the sonic cliches of rhodes keyboards, wine bar grooves - a yearning for "authenticity" & "sophistication", harking back to an era of vituoso musicallity - almost like a lot of electronic artists feel like their work isn't real music or something.

as soon as i hear something with these cliches, it makes me want to retch, the same as you. but on the other hand, i like a lot of what i would call music that is funky, even if its not labelled as such. i'm including things like jungle, electro, even jacking house tracks in this. i like to believe its the spirit of funk thats being embraced here rather than some boring retrogressive jazz samples.

yeh mate, they were so ahead of their time even the jungle revivalists mostly haven't caught up to them, who can blame them for going back to note perfect jazz funk when noone embraced them after 1994 and the scene went rotten? hilarious consequences of post-punk ideology here.
 
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