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luka
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r&b got sleazier. fewer love songs. not as earnest not even earnest about fucking.
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Kanye would watch porn in the studio. Here's Nicki talking about it:
āI heard through Drake that Kanye wanted me on his album, and I got on the next thing smokinā to Hawaii. I didnāt think that he was gonna like me. I always figured that he was one of those conscious rappers, so I thought that he wouldnāt want girls to be dressed overtly sexyāand I go to the studio and he has nothing but pictures of naked women on his computer that heād invite me to look at. They were really artsy pictures, but you know he loves nudity, so it was a complete shock to me, ācause I thought I had him all figured out, but I didnāt. He was watching porn when we were in the studioāno shame in his game. Kanye kept askinā me to come and eat breakfast, but I like to record in the morning. So, when they were eating breakfast, I was in the studio listening to music and writing. And he would always be like, āYo, why you aināt never come over for breakfast, yo?ā But I never went. I would get to the studio at like 10:30 in the morning and heād be leaving to go home and eat breakfast and Iād be getting to the studio to just write and record. I stayed late sometimes, but I was always getting sleepy. I get up at 6 in the morning, so midnight is late for me. One time he caught me nodding off, and I thought maybe he would kick me out. Iāve never been so embarrassed in my life. You know how youāre sitting up and you donāt realize that youāve just fallen asleep, but it feels like an eternity? When I picked up my head from sleeping, he was looking at me in the strangest way Iāve ever been looked at by a human being. He pulled his shades down and he looked and said, āOh, sheās sleeping?ā I wanted to crawl under a rock and die. [Laughs.]"
āI heard through Drake that Kanye wanted me on his album, and I got on the next thing smokinā to Hawaii. I didnāt think that he was gonna like me. I always figured that he was one of those conscious rappers, so I thought that he wouldnāt want girls to be dressed overtly sexyāand I go to the studio and he has nothing but pictures of naked women on his computer that heād invite me to look at. They were really artsy pictures, but you know he loves nudity, so it was a complete shock to me, ācause I thought I had him all figured out, but I didnāt. He was watching porn when we were in the studioāno shame in his game. Kanye kept askinā me to come and eat breakfast, but I like to record in the morning. So, when they were eating breakfast, I was in the studio listening to music and writing. And he would always be like, āYo, why you aināt never come over for breakfast, yo?ā But I never went. I would get to the studio at like 10:30 in the morning and heād be leaving to go home and eat breakfast and Iād be getting to the studio to just write and record. I stayed late sometimes, but I was always getting sleepy. I get up at 6 in the morning, so midnight is late for me. One time he caught me nodding off, and I thought maybe he would kick me out. Iāve never been so embarrassed in my life. You know how youāre sitting up and you donāt realize that youāve just fallen asleep, but it feels like an eternity? When I picked up my head from sleeping, he was looking at me in the strangest way Iāve ever been looked at by a human being. He pulled his shades down and he looked and said, āOh, sheās sleeping?ā I wanted to crawl under a rock and die. [Laughs.]"
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Yeah, he made them watch porn and kept talking about Hitler in business meetings.
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Some of the terminology in that New Yorker piece... particularly that they refer to scanned trees, rocks, and so on as 'assets'. One of the people interviewed suggests they're honouring God by creating like he does, but digitally collecting the most generic examples you can find in nature then packaging them as 'assets' seems a bit lifeless in comparison.
"To express is always to sing the glory of God. Every stratum is a judgment of God; not only do plants and animals, orchids and wasps, sing or express themselves, but so do rocks and even rivers, every stratified thing on earth."
D&G, A THOUSAND PLATEAUS: PLATEAU 3 - 10,000 B.C.: THE GEOLOGY OF MORALS (WHO DOES THE EARTH THINK IT IS?)
Speaking of Deleuze... his emphasis on what a thing does rather than whether it's a good representation really seems like the most productive approach when it comes to something like music. Ome posted that vid a while back explaining this via drum machines. Basically, that a drum machine doesn't sound exactly like a drum kit is less important than its own qualities and what they allow you to do that you couldn't with a kit.
"To express is always to sing the glory of God. Every stratum is a judgment of God; not only do plants and animals, orchids and wasps, sing or express themselves, but so do rocks and even rivers, every stratified thing on earth."
D&G, A THOUSAND PLATEAUS: PLATEAU 3 - 10,000 B.C.: THE GEOLOGY OF MORALS (WHO DOES THE EARTH THINK IT IS?)
Speaking of Deleuze... his emphasis on what a thing does rather than whether it's a good representation really seems like the most productive approach when it comes to something like music. Ome posted that vid a while back explaining this via drum machines. Basically, that a drum machine doesn't sound exactly like a drum kit is less important than its own qualities and what they allow you to do that you couldn't with a kit.
william_kent
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Byron Crawford's Kanye West Superstar has this ( and more ) to say...
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shakahislop
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from 2014ish onwards there's loads of porn in rap
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In terms of the creative output the 303 thing is still not an example of a fruitful failure because it succeeds in producing the sounds the artist wanted. Maybe you could call it a temporary structural constraint.
dilbert1
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Elaine Sturtevant - Wikipedia
āGoing only by her last name, Elaine Sturtevant was a master of appropriation who re-created works by iconic 20th-century artists in order to explore authenticity, artistic celebrity, and the creative process. Calling her approach ārepetition,ā she began making deliberately inexact copies of the work of her predecessors and contemporaries in 1964, repeating pieces by the likes of Andy Warhol, Keith Haring, and Marcel Duchamp. Some artists appreciated her project: Warhol loaned her original screens for her reproduction of his āFlowersā series. Others were angered. For example, Claes Oldenburg bristled when she presented a version of Oldenburgās The Store. Sturtevant was variously criticized, dismissed, and celebrated (she was awarded a Golden Lion in 2011) throughout her career.ā
I was recommended this book about her long ago and just remembered it, perhaps it has something to say about all this
Under the Sign of [sic]: Sturtevants Volte-Face
Prior to reading Bruce Hainleys latest book, my gloss on Elaine Sturtevant would have gone something like this: Feminist appropriation artist remade iconic Pop works, raising questions about authorship.
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Roland's failure led to the success of others. The artists didn't know they wanted those sounds, or that they were even possible, until Roland messed up attempting to simulate a bass guitar. The thing was a commercial flop given a new lease of life by people figuring out how to make use of its failings. It's the textbook example of a fruitful failure. A whole new musical development born from an engineering fuck up.