what should we do about our embaressing nazis?

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germaphobian

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thirdform said:
marxism may be outmoded (I won't argue that point with you because you're still fixated on trying to justify your irrelevant racism which i couldn't give a flying fuck about) but you need the fiction of the people (and thus Heidegger) to bring back your strong welfare state to reduce immigration and reassert the bonds of family and community. except, it isn't coming back. so all you can do is propose like trump, this hypothetical wall which will never be built. But the Euros don't have the wit and humour of the ceptic.

That's the issue with centrist conservatism, pragmatism, whatever. You don't want to take responsibility for unleashing prometheus and are still stuck in a nostalgia for the past (we can go back to a system where regional government exerts democratic influence on the centre.) Don't you realise that is finished? How can you have deregulated neoliberal economic models which uproot all social hierarchies whilst supporting caps on immigration? back to social democracy you go, and... for all intents and purposes analogous to the Spanish, Italian and French communist parties, a conformist Stalinism for the advanced capitalist countries. You want bourgeois society without its disintegrating elements, which is an even bigger cuck than the cuckservatives, I wonder if our sweet boy Corneliu @mixed_biscuits is listening?

You don't like it because you get the russian 'ick' as the kids say, but your policies follow on exactly from Stalinist rationality. strong protectionist state applying price and wage controls with a cap on immigration, which by nature needs heavy nationalisation.

this is boring now.
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I don't think you realize how strong the pull of nationalism still is in most of Eastern and Southern Europe, even Scandinavia, it's mostly just Anglos who've been psychologically dealt with in this regard. Poland just passed "shoot to kill" border law after a soldier was stabbed by an immigrant, and that's their liberals who passed it, not even the conservative nationalist party who lost the last election.
If anything, England is a exception, and not a good one at this point, and all the world is starting to see it with people being arrested for "racist" memes or whatever. Also the total social disintegration which is now impossible to hide since it's being streamed in real time.
 
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germaphobian said:
I don't think you realize how strong the pull of nationalism still is in most of Eastern and Southern Europe, even Scandinavia, it's mostly just Anglos who've been psychologically dealt with in this regard. Poland just passed "shoot to kill" border law after a soldier was stabbed by an immigrant, and that's their liberals who passed it, not even the conservative nationalist party who lost the last election.
If anything, England is a exception, and not a good one at this point, and all the world is starting to see it with people being arrested for "racist" memes or whatever. Also the total social disintegration which is now impossible to hide since it's being streamed in real time.
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oh nationalism will be on the rise, but there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. the problem that those in favouring restricting immigration can't be fixed by any hypothetical restrictions on immigration, so they are unprepared for what is coming, which more than anything else is a breakdown in all democratic institutions and potential WW III. In this sense, it should not be forgotten that Japan is rearming, which the septics are not ready for.

Ironically, whilst England might be the exception at the moment, Russia is the case study in what the rest of Europe is going to be hit with. more or less mafia racketeer demagogues masquerading of entertainers (of the Yeltsin variety) and then someone like Putin from within the technocratic end of intelligence as a last bluster.

I do think Russia is a lot weaker than people admit and hypothetically as @DannyL says the US could fund Ukraine to beat them, but as I said in the other thread US policy over the past 25 years shows the exact opposite.

people still think in terms of self-sufficient economies, and more and more that reality of the traditional nation state is becoming untenable.
 
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thirdform said:
oh nationalism will be on the rise, but there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. the problem that those in favouring restricting immigration can't be fixed by any hypothetical restrictions on immigration, so they are unprepared for what is coming, which more than anything else is a breakdown in all democratic institutions and potential WW III. In this sense, it should not be forgotten that Japan is rearming, which the septics are not ready for.

Ironically, whilst England might be the exception at the moment, Russia is the case study in what the rest of Europe is going to be hit with. more or less mafia racketeer demagogues masquerading of entertainers (of the Yeltsin variety) and then someone like Putin from within the technocratic end of intelligence as a last bluster.

I do think Russia is a lot weaker than people admit and hypothetically as @DannyL says the US could fund Ukraine to beat them, but as I said in the other thread US policy over the past 25 years shows the exact opposite.

people still think in terms of self-sufficient economies, and more and more that reality of the traditional nation state is becoming untenable.
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Of course, Americans will pussyfoot endlessly, that's something everyone in Eastern Europe and Nordic countries is aware of; and that's why Poles are buying all those weapons wherever they can get them; similar with Finns, although they've always been ready to punch ten times above their weight. Most people expect from America is some sort of logistics and intelligence information support. So no one has any illusions about America in these parts, it's a myth. Boomers like Reagan for historic, sentimental reasons, but that's about it.
They're risk averse and they're not a nation of warriors, they've never been really if you look at it. It's the technological might, and - what's all important and really the basis for it all - it's their Navy and abilty to protect the oceans. People don't think about it this way, but it's essentially a seafaring nation, and - as we know from history - who controls the oceans, controls the globe. That's really all there is to it. But fighters they are not, they hate such a thing outside of limited operations in desert countries or something like that, it dosen't benefit them no matter what conspiracy people claim.
 
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But you do overestimate the decline of America though, in some ways it has never been stronger really. I think what creats such an impression is their inner turmoil although even that is driven by press headlines to a great extent, I'm quite sure many Americans on this forum could vouch for that. There is no country even approaching American might at this point, some say maybe China, but I'm not sure if I buy that.
I'm pretty sure at this point if they attacked Taiwan they would get humiliated in ways we can't even imagine, similar as happened with Russia. And that's why aren't attacking I would say.
 
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One last point, China is building up a Navy though, in sheer numbers they are surpassing USA at this point, except that it's mostly small ships while USA has all the giant beasts plus more aircraft carriers that rest of the world combined. No one is even near, and that's why the dollar will stay the world reserve currency for forseeable future and I really don't see any contenders there. So decline? I don't think so.
 
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shakahislop said:
No idea about that but I do find these ideas enjoyably mad
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It's all fun and games until some nutter runs up to you, grabs the bottle of Nivea Factor 50 out of your hand and starts screaming about chemtrails when you're just trying to protect your kid from sunburn.
 
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mixed_biscuits said:
Do you not believe the studies?
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why would anyone believe a study these days? almost all of them are produced by paper mills in the ivory coast. it's been like this since the mid-90s after sierra leone realized russia would turn a blind eye to blood diamond exports if they would in return put the ministry of health work on producing these. can't believe this isn't common knowledge
 
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shakahislop said:
why would anyone believe a study these days? almost all of them are produced by paper mills in the ivory coast. it's been like this since the mid-90s after sierra leone realized russia would turn a blind eye to blood diamond exports if they would in return put the ministry of health work on producing these. can't believe this isn't common knowledge
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Ta-da! A mind-killed conspiracy theorist.
 
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Liberals/LW are less libidinous, less fertile, more likely to abort or euthanise...lower sperm counts and birth rates aren't a bug for them, they're a feature. Their take on the meaning of life is to end it.
 
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