thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Why do you thinks so? America is much further away from such a scenario than anyone other country on this ball of dirt.

The great and authentic revolutionaries of the world are two: Netanyahu and Trump.

The Israelis can keep claiming the cheques from washington. But they cannot stop themselves, or Washington.

Biscuits also cannot stop himself, the process has accelerated far beyond his control and thus he is write to call mr. tea a 'liberal zionist', it's just that he's hitched his wagon to the forces for the total destruction of zionism, the forces that are, so to speak, internally (rather than externally) contradictory to it. Both him and tea cannot understand that societies are always divided against themselves (miserabilist morressey worshipping democrats they are) otherwise they would have no impetus to develop.

Siding with the american liberal left is the only force that can preserve zionism, but that is not going to happen..

The old forms are collapsing, and the new will be emerging. Biscuits will sooner or later be conscious of this, but he is too obsessed with masturbation to be of much use at the moment. When we assimilate him, however, he will be the greatest romanian internationalist, far surpassing Ceaușescu in his application of red terror. We know what he cannot know yet, because we can divine his future.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Sorry to butt into yesterday's discussion but I doubt the average American voter gives a fuck about foreign policy. There's no evidence that that's a motivator in voting beyond isolationism.
The average voter, maybe. But perhaps enough of them to have made a difference in a few of the swing states, which is always how elections there are won and lost.

However, I suspect a bigger reason Harris lost is that she has the misfortune to be both dark-skinned and female.
 

dilbert1

Well-known member

Damn, can’t believe I forgot how much the stupidity of the ultraleft accelerationist flavor of Trump Derangement Syndrome actually rivals the liberal variety

If Trump’s victory appears so plainly as the revenge of those defeated in the American Civil War of the 1860s, the danger is great that, as this event brings into view for many the subterranean continuum of civil war, it will nonetheless be grasped as a lamentable scourge rather than a fact to be taken on. Beyond the puppet-like character of the United States presidency, this election may still serve as an invitation for vengeance, a carte blanche to the police to slaughter as many Blacks and leftists as they wish.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Giving up territory, you set a precedent for concessions you say, authoritarians can do wtf they want, no consequences (you can argue Gaza shows that happening already, fair point, different argument). Russia will simply rearm and come back for another go as soon as possible. Appeasment gets you nonowhere.

I don't understand how this isn't obvious to anyone who hasn't still got their umbilical cord attached. Putin or his successor will sooner or later attempt to take the rest of Ukraine, and then beyond Ukraine there's Poland, the Baltic states and Finland - all of which are NATO members, which he'll assume are up for grabs if NATO has lost interest in helping Ukraine defend itself.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
The average voter, maybe. But perhaps enough of them to have made a difference in a few of the swing states, which is always how elections there are won and lost.

However, I suspect a bigger reason Harris lost is that she has the misfortune to be both dark-skinned and female.

or alternatively the concept of the average voter is incoherent. how are these averages defined? Poling is hardly a full proof method!
 

shakahislop

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midtown was subdued yesterday. mood among people i know seems to be disappointment rather than shock. the difference in how much it's hitting home for americans and for foreigners is palpable. for the former there's skin in the game and for the latter it's distanced chat. there's a certain fear that the basic parameters are changing and the country is moving in a new direction, and they're going to have to live through the consequences
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
midtown was subdued yesterday. mood among people i know seems to be disappointment rather than shock. the difference in how much it's hitting home for americans and for foreigners is palpable. for the former there's skin in the game and for the latter it's distanced chat. there's a certain fear that the basic parameters are changing and the country is moving in a new direction, and they're going to have to live through the consequences

didn't people say this in 2016? The only reason why there is hatred for Trump is that he is not a politician strictly speaking and doesn't conduct himself in a way befitting a politician.

But my dialectical joking aside, this is indicative of the breakdown of the US political system. Trump had no way of winning in 2020, and the republican party had no way of ousting him (something I thought they would have been able to manage by now.) The fact that they couldn't has led me to believe that we are witnessing a crisis in the nation state, ditto the tories and their inability to have a half competent candidate.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Damn, can’t believe I forgot how much the stupidity of the ultraleft accelerationist flavor of Trump Derangement Syndrome actually rivals the liberal variety

left accelerationism is a contradiction in terms. Right accelerationism initially makes a smidgen of sense, only that there is no singularity but a breakdown of the system. So, again, confusion of fixed and circulating capital!

@blissblogger marxism will triumph, unlike Deleuzianism on this account.
 

sufi

lala
midtown was subdued yesterday. mood among people i know seems to be disappointment rather than shock. the difference in how much it's hitting home for americans and for foreigners is palpable. for the former there's skin in the game and for the latter it's distanced chat. there's a certain fear that the basic parameters are changing and the country is moving in a new direction, and they're going to have to live through the consequences
i woke up this morning and it took about 15 minutes before i remembered that trump is back :(
do you remember the immediate lowering of anxiety feelings when he went out in 2020, same when bollockhead johnson quit
 

0bleak

Well-known member
Yeah possibly more in Muslim areas I guess. I'd like to see some kinda breakdown though.

I mean, the people I know that abstained from voting for that reason aren't Muslim. The ones I know lean more atheist or "other" when it comes to their religion, or actually are atheist (like the cousin that I mentioned), if anything.

I doubt very much it affected outcomes much as it should.

no doubt - I'm just saying that the number of Americans who care about that might be more a little bit more significant than you think.
 

0bleak

Well-known member
just curious, how many people on this board were born, raised, and spent a significant amount of time (decades) in the American south aka Trumplandia?
I'm not kidding when I say that I almost everyone I've ever known or run into that has voted for Trump is a backwards dumbass willing to cut off their nose to spite their face, and/or has hate in their heart.
 

shakahislop

Well-known member
one thing that i didn't exactly realize before i moved here is that there's a certain level of exaggeration and arguably hysteria in how some americans talk about politics. it smudges your ability to understand what's going on i think, it can be hard to give events and predictions the right weight. i saw the guardian US columnist put out a piece yesterday saying that a nationwide abortion ban was a possibility and i didn't know how seriously to take it. it's not just columnists and so on though, it's just something in the culture about the tone people take when they speak
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
That seems to be at least in part due to their links with said Americans. They're like some weird, little Republican tribute act at the moment, particularly Truss.

I mean Badonech wants to claim the culture war is an american importation whilst being utterly faithful to it. Interesting times ahead!
 

shakahislop

Well-known member
i woke up this morning and it took about 15 minutes before i remembered that trump is back :(
do you remember the immediate lowering of anxiety feelings when he went out in 2020, same when bollockhead johnson quit
these kinds of emotional reactions to news are fertile ground i think. following the news has this affective level and we're all locked in to it. it does shape your everyday experience of the world a bit, the general sense of things getting worse, but also that (for me and you) basically every election etc for the last twenty years has given a result that's directly against your own interests. that's not necessarily a normal experience
 

version

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these kinds of emotional reactions to news are fertile ground i think. following the news has this affective level and we're all locked in to it. it does shape your everyday experience of the world a bit, the general sense of things getting worse, but also that (for me and you) basically every election etc for the last twenty years has given a result that's directly against your own interests. that's not necessarily a normal experience

Reddit's funny to observe as it's very liberal and most of the userbase are having various forms of meltdown in their typically embarrassing way.
 

sufi

lala
these kinds of emotional reactions to news are fertile ground i think. following the news has this affective level and we're all locked in to it. it does shape your everyday experience of the world a bit, the general sense of things getting worse, but also that (for me and you) basically every election etc for the last twenty years has given a result that's directly against your own interests. that's not necessarily a normal experience
it's the world greatest gameshow / alan moore says fandom has wrecked the world
 
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