HEGEL

[version]

Actually all I’ve ever read is the introduction, to this one book. Its only like a hundred pages

https://ia801607.us.archive.org/17/items/g-w-f-hegel-introduction-to-the-philosophy-of-history/g-w-f-hegel-introduction-to-the-philosophy-of-history.pdf

Surprised you haven't read these two.

 

[luka]

version will you shame edmund woopsiedavie by accepting the challenge

 

[version]

version will you shame edmund woopsiedavie by accepting the challenge

I thought I already did linking to that thread? Which book are we talking about anyway?

 

[luka]

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/marcuse/works/reason/reason-and-revolution.pdf

 

[luka]

its basically a shorts child guide to hegel that even dilbert was able to finish

 

[version]

450 pages on a screen is a big ask.

 

[luka]

Ive got the book at home

 

[version]

Ive got the book at home

Congrats!

 

[version]

The one he linked to that's actually by Hegel is only 125 pages, although they're probably 125 brutal pages.

 

[luka]

He only read the introduction he said

 

[version]

He only read the introduction he said

I think he meant the whole book though, the book is the introduction. It's called Introduction to The Philosophy of History. If he just read the introduction to the introduction then I don't know what to say.

 

[Benny Bunter]

Just watch that professor muchael sugrue video. Hegels meant to be the most boring impenetrable writer ever isn't he?

 

[0bleak]

Obviously I'm flattered to have a personality, but for the record and in case Obleak comes in and tells me off

What I hold contempt for is the white progressive's absurd caricaturing of the Indian, which pretends to empathy but in fact is one more fetishizing projection

speak of the devil...
I'm not sure that is a just an issue with progressives since I've also seen/heard similar fetishizing projection from conservatives regarding american indians along the lines of the "noble savage" stereotype, and there are the sports team names and mascots (another form of fetishizing projection), and various names/mascots of various brands of products - I mean, it's really just all over american culture in general.
However, I'd say that negative caricaturizations and stereotypes are probably more harmful, especially when it gives people license not to care about what happens to the most impoverished people in our country, or what is happening/happens to various tribes and their various issues.
I'd also say that the people I've encountered at intertribal pow wows, when they aren't american indian or belong to a tribe, they tend to be more often on the progressive side, and there is nothing that shatters caricaturizations and stereotypes more than actually interacting with people:

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[version]

Just watch that professor muchael sugrue video. Hegels meant to be the most boring impenetrable writer ever isn't he?

He's meant to be pretty boring and impenetrable, yeah, but there are worse. In one of the Heidegger lectures, Sugrue mentions him doing his doctoral dissertation on Duns Scotus and jokes he wouldn't even consider reading one, let alone writing one.

Duns Scotus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[sus]

I've also seen/heard similar fetishizing projection from conservatives regarding american indians along the lines of the "noble savage"

That's probably true re conservatives I've just never met any before.

 

[Benny Bunter]

@vershy versh Yeah I watched that one as well. I think the only famous philosopher who I'd bother reading directly is nietzche cos he's supposed to be actually good at writing, the rest of them I'm happy to get secondhand.

 

[luka]

nietzsche doesnt do anything philosophers usually do like build arguments and anticipate objections so its actually fun to read. he just makes statements. and they're all true.

 

[Benny Bunter]

So I've heard. Will get round to him one day

 

[luka]

i know, i'll find you a page of cool quotes. thats a good start

 

[version]

@vershy versh Yeah I watched that one as well. I think the only famous philosopher who I'd bother reading directly is nietzche cos he's supposed to be actually good at writing, the rest of them I'm happy to get secondhand.

Baudrillard's fun.