mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
i just realized who Hadouken remind me of: they are what EMF would sound and look like in 2007...
Nope. "unbelievable' had a tune.
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Nope. "unbelievable' had a tune.
viktorvaughn
Well-known member
are Knuckle and Ears out of Neckle Camp?
Some excellent points there mate. Last thing i read was that Jammer had disbanded Neckle Camp and become more associated with Slew Dem. Jammer's problem is that since NASTY he hasn't had a crew that were as good as him. Knuckles' bars on their mixtape were straight up embarrassing.
this is what I don't understand though. the scene produces an album that doesn't compromise but instead tries to do whatever one was suggesting - write songs, keep it gully, have progressive production whatever and then it gets putdown. its a good thing that some of the ppl on this forums ain't the only fans of the scene otherwise we'll just have Napper and Tempa T on radio clashing over some early to mid Wiley production for the rest of their days
the version I heard through somebody was easily the best mixed underground release yet plus its sequenced quite well. apparently its being distributed by genepool or universal which if true is a big deal any info or confirmation on that? that funky house tune wasn't very good imo but I thought of John Eden (is that his name?) when I heard the tune with Badness, Maxwell D and Gappy Ranks...LAVA lol!
i respectfully disagree man. terror, DOK, big ed are all great producers, some of the best grime has produced, but they all pretty much work with crappy MCs. i want to like the album, and love the roster, but its just not there. the album is a real total mish mash, and the more interesting element of the AS sound seems to have been compromised with watery R&B or too much halfstep midtempo stuff. im not hearing the 'good songs' youre talking about either. just sounded messy a lot of the time. the only one that really stuck out to me was that funky house one with gemma fox! i dunno about it being mixed well either, the vocals seemed to be recorded like most other mixtapes, not that well. which wouldnt matter that much i suppose if it was just kept raw like say, showerman (i must stop going on about that tune) but it sounds like when you have a mixer and you press that talkover button lol.
Some excellent points there mate. Last thing i read was that Jammer had disbanded Neckle Camp and become more associated with Slew Dem. Jammer's problem is that since NASTY he hasn't had a crew that were as good as him. Knuckles' bars on their mixtape were straight up embarrassing.
I wasn't aware Knuckles even HAD bars beyond "Shhhhh dickhead I'll bust your head with [insert head bussing object here]"
As for Jammer not having people in his crew that are as good as him, Ears is a consistently good MC who always delivers - he has that hard-to-come-by gift of having both flows and lyrics so he isn't stuck on the same reload bars over and over again (see: Knuckles minus the "reload" part). I rate Ears very highly.
Jammer isn't even that great of an MC. I like him, but I find he really glides by on his personality. Jammer has always been a don when its come to the buttons - not the mic.
Also, if Knuckles and Ears have in fact left Neckle Camp then surely Neckle Camp must have disbanded? That would only leave Jammer and Gully Ranjah, no?
Logan Sama
BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
It is a tough situation. Because while you can argue that the influx of turgid hip hop sounding sanitized 'Grime' being made by 'artists' is done so as to please a faceless mainstream consumer, and you can suggest that perhaps the MCs should stop making music to please other people and just do it for themselves..... but then you contradict yourself, because 'making music to please other people' includes you, and by suggesting an artist make something different would imply that your view of what they should be making is more important than what they think.
That is why I don't actively try and stop people from making anything, they can do as they please. But hopefully they will soon enough realise that making something that actually sounds like grime is what gets artists recognised from this scene.
I'd love to be playing a world of new Grime sounding tunes each week on my show, but there's only a handful of MCs and producers that have the ability and conviction to stick to their guns and not compromise their sound.
Producers like Rapid, Footsie, Wiley, Skepta, Dexplicit and JME still knock out a world of beats that while not staying glued to the spot in terms of music evolution, not not completely ignore their roots either.
I don't want to play average hip hop records. Kiss don't want me playing average hip hop records. I don't understand why artists make average hip hop records when they have a career due to the Grime they have made. But you can't really force anyone to make that decision, it is up to them to lift the veil over their eyes themselves and embrace that which sets them all apart from every other tinpan hip hop producer who isn't really doing anything throughout the rest of the planet.
I would strongly argue against it being time for something new. The kids don't want something new. There is an entire generation for whom this is something new still. The music is only 5 years old. That means there is a lot of legs left in it yet. Even looking back 5 years isn't a bad thing to do considering there's so much music that was made then which never found a wider audience.
Hopefully the music will naturaly evolve into something stable and not need to look to other scenes and genres for approval.
That is why I don't actively try and stop people from making anything, they can do as they please. But hopefully they will soon enough realise that making something that actually sounds like grime is what gets artists recognised from this scene.
I'd love to be playing a world of new Grime sounding tunes each week on my show, but there's only a handful of MCs and producers that have the ability and conviction to stick to their guns and not compromise their sound.
Producers like Rapid, Footsie, Wiley, Skepta, Dexplicit and JME still knock out a world of beats that while not staying glued to the spot in terms of music evolution, not not completely ignore their roots either.
I don't want to play average hip hop records. Kiss don't want me playing average hip hop records. I don't understand why artists make average hip hop records when they have a career due to the Grime they have made. But you can't really force anyone to make that decision, it is up to them to lift the veil over their eyes themselves and embrace that which sets them all apart from every other tinpan hip hop producer who isn't really doing anything throughout the rest of the planet.
I would strongly argue against it being time for something new. The kids don't want something new. There is an entire generation for whom this is something new still. The music is only 5 years old. That means there is a lot of legs left in it yet. Even looking back 5 years isn't a bad thing to do considering there's so much music that was made then which never found a wider audience.
Hopefully the music will naturaly evolve into something stable and not need to look to other scenes and genres for approval.
viktorvaughn
Well-known member
I wasn't aware Knuckles even HAD bars beyond "Shhhhh dickhead I'll bust your head with [insert head bussing object here]"
As for Jammer not having people in his crew that are as good as him, Ears is a consistently good MC who always delivers - he has that hard-to-come-by gift of having both flows and lyrics so he isn't stuck on the same reload bars over and over again (see: Knuckles minus the "reload" part). I rate Ears very highly.
Jammer isn't even that great of an MC. I like him, but I find he really glides by on his personality. Jammer has always been a don when its come to the buttons - not the mic.
Also, if Knuckles and Ears have in fact left Neckle Camp then surely Neckle Camp must have disbanded? That would only leave Jammer and Gully Ranjah, no?
The first time i heard Knuckles (on 'Coz we're neckle' i think) i thought he was pretty cool. When i subsequently heard him on every track reusing the same bars with minor variations i realised how poor he was. There is one track where he rhymes gasoline, and vasoline and somethign else about 10 times.
I do rate Earz too. As u say, he has bars, flow and a cool sounding voice too. And yes you are right - Jammer is a bit limited as an MC, he is at his best when spending 75% of the time in the produckle-house and just spitting a few hype bars every now and again. That's why 'Straight Necklin' is pretty good, whearas i cant listen to 'Are u Dumb' from start to finish. I suppose i was just enjoying a bit of a NASTY reminisipackage about Jammer being surrounded by talented people and not just one good MC! Plus there is no MC in Slew Dem as good as Earz, so that move will not solve the problem.
Yes, i think Neckle Camp has disbanded, that's kinda what i was saying.
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Diggedy Derek
Stray Dog
Has anyone heard the recent Earz mixtape? I picked it up yesterday. He's always been one my favorite MCs.
mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
yeah, I got it but havent listened but once. I like Devlin's one though, I've listened to that more, surprisingly. He's very honest. And I really like the second half of Tempo Specialists, precisiely becuase of it's hiphop style. *awaits derision*.
what i wanna know is how come you get guys like footsie or jammer or whoever usually doing their more 'serious' or 'topical' tracks over trad-ish hip hop beats instead of over hardcore grime beats? Im specifically thinking about something like that track where footsie talks about stop and searches. it would be much more effective/interesting i reckon if mcs got topical over beats like say bazooka rather than just do it over UKHH production to get all 'reflective'. it would also stop giving mcs the excuse that there is only one type of thing you can talk about on proper fast grime beats. public enemy wouldnt have been embraced as much if they rapped over slow and moody beats.
it would be much more effective/interesting i reckon if mcs got topical over beats like say bazooka
the new young dot ep sucks,,,
what's up w/ that guy?
did he just have one good record in him?
Logan Sama
BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
Because it is drummed into their head from an early age that hip hop = content, grime = hype.
but theyre not just doing hip hop beats in general, its specifically 90s east coast-type beats, which says something about hip hop too. ie you cant have 'content' over modern type stuff, it has to be older sounding stuff. but anyway, this is the grime thread, not the hip hop one.
anyone heard the track dizzee did with the arctic monkeys yet? its going to be a b side on their new single.
anyone heard the track dizzee did with the arctic monkeys yet? its going to be a b side on their new single.
Logan Sama
BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
It is relevant to Grime though, even if you are discussing hip hop.
I mean, most of the artists do either slow 70bpm sample heavy original productions, or just spit on any American beats that they listen to in their own time.
I mean, most of the artists do either slow 70bpm sample heavy original productions, or just spit on any American beats that they listen to in their own time.
well, since grime artists are looking to mainstream US hip hop and thinking of grime as being analagous to that, they would probably think that 'substance' or 'content' doesnt really have a place in grime either. its the same thing you hear rappers in the US say, that they would rap about something less superficial if it meant they could get a deal. with grime though i think theres the whole rave-MC tradition as well, where guys like creed, skibadee etc didnt have much 'content' when they were MCing at raves or on radio either. i know grime MCs have been trying to escape that but im not sure they really have. even now, most UKHH artists would still think of a grime MC as not really saying much/anything but good at hyping a rave.
Logan Sama
BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
And they have a chip about that. They want to prove to these UKHH artists and Hip Hop artists in general that they "got the mad skilllz, yo!"
It gets on my tits.
It gets on my tits.
viktorvaughn
Well-known member
What is the dancehally grime tune with the chorus of the guy going 'dem dem dem dem' in a hard and fast manner? It's quality.
Logan Sama
BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
You mean that pretty poor bootleg of Montel Jordan's "this is how we do it", with Badness from Aftershock spitting some of his reload bars on it?
but theyre not just doing hip hop beats in general, its specifically 90s east coast-type beats, which says something about hip hop too. ie you cant have 'content' over modern type stuff, it has to be older sounding stuff. but anyway, this is the grime thread, not the hip hop one.
to his credit, Wiley's wistful "i am really deep and cold and melancholic" songs are over grime tempo beats... as are ruff sqwads... they are just at half time feel (70)...
when US hip hop guys do it, it's usually the one song they put on the album "for the heads", to show that that grew up on that shit, etc etc...
yeah...this is my reply
even on production I don't rate Murkle that highly
I guess they should be called Neckle Team or Team Neckle then - ha ha - look, I made a funny!
*tumbleweed*
I heard a tune by Gully on Bossman's show where he had a line slightly gunning Ears and Knuckles...that made me think....
anyway I need a tune ID - it's an instrumental doing the round at the mo...all I can really describe is that its quite emotional and totally synth based and then has a part when it goes backwards so it sounds like all the synths are squelching? anyone? the beat is slightly half-step....that's all I've got...actually thinking about it...it may be another next-level Wiley one like Tunnel Vision
I wasn't aware Knuckles even HAD bars beyond "Shhhhh dickhead I'll bust your head with [insert head bussing object here]"
As for Jammer not having people in his crew that are as good as him, Ears is a consistently good MC who always delivers - he has that hard-to-come-by gift of having both flows and lyrics so he isn't stuck on the same reload bars over and over again (see: Knuckles minus the "reload" part). I rate Ears very highly.
Jammer isn't even that great of an MC. I like him, but I find he really glides by on his personality. Jammer has always been a don when its come to the buttons - not the mic.
Also, if Knuckles and Ears have in fact left Neckle Camp then surely Neckle Camp must have disbanded? That would only leave Jammer and Gully Ranjah, no?
even on production I don't rate Murkle that highly
I guess they should be called Neckle Team or Team Neckle then - ha ha - look, I made a funny!
*tumbleweed*
I heard a tune by Gully on Bossman's show where he had a line slightly gunning Ears and Knuckles...that made me think....
anyway I need a tune ID - it's an instrumental doing the round at the mo...all I can really describe is that its quite emotional and totally synth based and then has a part when it goes backwards so it sounds like all the synths are squelching? anyone? the beat is slightly half-step....that's all I've got...actually thinking about it...it may be another next-level Wiley one like Tunnel Vision
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Logan Sama
BestThereIsAtWhatIDo
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