Italy

[shakahislop]

napoli's a vision of what a future poor europe might look like, if that happens. european cities with a middle-income level of development. a colombian or peruvian amount of money and the loosening and roughness that brings. a level of dysfunction. a distinguishing feature of western europe is how well things function. it's one of the axes that you're always seeing when you go to different places. whether the systems work. nyc is all dysfunction. japan and germany are pure obsessive function. delhi is dysfunction. and so on. human systems working or not. cooperation and enforcement. dysfunction is more exciting, and more of a human way to live, when you've got to work things out on your own

the train to the airport in milan was a calm, easy movement. like an engineer had designed it. here is the train station in the middle of the city, go and sit on the clean quiet train and go to the airport, coz we know you need to go to the airport. the train to manhattan from jfk is the confusing airtrain to the long island railroad, coz the E is down, the LIRR crawls along, you can't actually get out the train from the carriage i was in, you've got to lug your shit down to the other carriages, into the dank subway, the D is broken, needles and rubbish on the tracks. function vs dysfunction

 

[sus]

I was at a Carrefour fifteen minutes ago and it was nice enough but felt like a slightly above average NYC supermarket. Not as nice as Westside Market—its beyond me how anyone could go to Westside Market and think America has no good supermarkets. But maybe nicer than Morton Williams.

Mind you it's not a Keyfoods which is budget grocery.

Still, I enjoyed your thoughtful, you're probably right about a lot of it, and coastal uppermiddleclass supermarkets like Westside don't stand in for American groceries generally

But are Milanese working classes going to Carrefour either? Or do they have their Walmart equivalent?

 

[shakahislop]

I was at a Carrefour fifteen minutes ago and it was nice enough but felt like a slightly above average NYC supermarket. Not as nice as Westside Market—its beyond me how anyone could go to Westside Market and think America has no good supermarkets. But maybe nicer than Morton Williams.

Mind you it's not a Keyfoods which is budget grocery.

Still, I enjoyed your thoughtful, you're probably right about a lot of it, and coastal uppermiddleclass supermarkets like Westside don't stand in for American groceries generally

But are Milanese working classes going to Carrefour either? Or do they have their Walmart equivalent?

i go to westside market all the time and it's fucking terrible

carrefour is a standard french supermarket, very normal, everyone goes there

 

[luka]

Just had an affagato with an amaretto on the side.

 

[sus]

Had that the other night

Also had my first vermouth affagato it was to die for. Better than the normal affagato I think

 

[luka]

The italians are a vulgar people but theres good things about them too, no one can denynit

 

[version]

The italians are a vulgar people but theres good things about them too, no one can denynit

Corpsey loves their current government.

 

[luka]

 

[shakahislop]

The italians are a vulgar people but theres good things about them too, no one can denynit

the integration of italian food and drink into the uk is quite interesting i think. works across several axes but it's as big an influence as indian. maybe bigger. so much of what people cook at home is a version of italian food, maybe the biggest displacer of traditional uk food. jamie oliver being a big proponent. a 90s wave i think. these little bits of our everyday lives, bits of our childhoods. italian food seems to be well suited to industrial food production and people making things quickly at home. i guess you have the italy via america influence as well, italican food

you get other little bits as well. ferraris. the east end had a load of italian migrants as well no? and then the conception of europe that middle class british people have is heavily influenced by their tuscan holidays, their skiing trips to the alps. and then those deeper victorian roots, the renaissance reverence and all of that.

 

[luka]

Pasta must be the most common thing people cook at home by far

 

[william_kent]

Pasta must be the most common thing people cook at home by far

piece of piss, heat up a pan of water, throw in some processed wheat based shapes and smother in warm sauce with various bits tossed in

also, "noodles" / "ramen" is basically Italian food if Marco Polo is to be believed so that's the Far East covered

 

[shakahislop]

europe is a hard thing to get your head around. i don't know at what point people in the uk started to center italy and spain in thier conception of what europe is. but it's obvious that not many people are able to think of europe as a whole, and usually think about specific bits of it. i think it has something to do with holidays. the uk is so much more similar to northern european countries especially germany and denmark. but the mind tends to turn south rather than east for some reason

 

[version]

the integration of italian food and drink into the uk is quite interesting i think. works across several axes but it's as big an influence as indian. maybe bigger. so much of what people cook at home is a version of italian food, maybe the biggest displacer of traditional uk food. jamie oliver being a big proponent. a 90s wave i think. these little bits of our everyday lives, bits of our childhoods. italian food seems to be well suited to industrial food production and people making things quickly at home. i guess you have the italy via america influence as well, italican food

you get other little bits as well. ferraris. the east end had a load of italian migrants as well no? and then the conception of europe that middle class british people have is heavily influenced by their tuscan holidays, their skiing trips to the alps. and then those deeper victorian roots, the renaissance reverence and all of that.

Beers. Moretti, Peroni.

europe is a hard thing to get your head around. i don't know at what point people in the uk started to center italy and spain in thier conception of what europe is. but it's obvious that not many people are able to think of europe as a whole, and usually think about specific bits of it. i think it has something to do with holidays. the uk is so much more similar to northern european countries especially germany and denmark. but the mind tends to turn south rather than east for some reason

It's the weather, surely? They're thinking of sea and sun.

 

[luka]

Yeah you dont go on holiday somewhere that reminds u of england lol

 

[yyaldrin]

what did your british parents cook for you when you were kids?

 

[william_kent]

what did your british parents cook for you when you were kids?

I've been vegetarian ever since I left my parental home, make of that what you will

 

[shakahislop]

I've been vegetarian ever since I left my parental home, make of that what you will

they fed him on human flesh - he was going on about that one night and then deleted it all

 

[luka]

what did your british parents cook for you when you were kids?

I was raised vegetarian and my dad had spent years working as a chef at a high level, so not gammon and pineapple

 

[version]

what did your british parents cook for you when you were kids?

 

[sus]

I've been vegetarian ever since I left my parental home, make of that what you will

Are all the most powerful Dissensus users vegetarian?