existential crisis, feeling like I'm in a creative prison

[Corpsey]

The tempo thing ozkharp mentions is an example of creating distance between yourself and your own idea

It's really hard to have that distance in my experience

If I hear a tune on the radio and I think it's good apart from this one bit it's easy for me to hear that but if I was making something I might think should that be there or not, can't decide...

 

[0bleak]

I would send thirdform the Turkish thing and he can give you the most blunt no bullshit notes on what to improve and what to jettison

I have talked to him a bit about it, but when I listened to what a basic demo of the beat on speakers other than my pa sound system, I realized what a horrible mess I had created with noise and distortion so basically scrapped that idea.

(don't know why I let it play for so long when you can get the idea in a tenth of that time or less).

I really like the original turkish beat, but it's at 78bpm, so trying to figure out how to get more energy out of it, basically, while not losing all of its character.

 

[Corpsey]

I like that loop.

Add a big stonking 4x4 kick drum imo

Third may counsel adding a 303 acid line on top too

 

[okzharp]

if you want energy out of fast intricate percussiony sounds you need to work on the transients and make sure there's a tight enveloper working to give each sound a curve... like tight tight... like tighter than a nat's chuff

Was it Sophie who said that thing about the desire to make the loudest, brightest thing? You could try putting it through the sausage fattener plugin?

 

[luka]

you should be indoctrinating kid charlemagne in 93 darkside hardcore and mindfucker hard acid corpse.

He doesnt want to learn.

 

[0bleak]

if you want energy out of fast intricate percussiony sounds you need to work on the transients and make sure there's a tight enveloper working to give each sound a curve... like tight tight... like tighter than a nat's chuff

Was it Sophie who said that thing about the desire to make the loudest, brightest thing? You could try putting it through the sausage fattener plugin?

I guess I need your production skills 😆

 

[luka]

No one on dissensus has ever made an actual piece of music. Rank amateurs

 

[shakahislop]

No one on dissensus has ever made an actual piece of music. Rank amateurs

 

[0bleak]

I think I'm done with the noiser angle on this.
I think to make it more exciting is to figure out how to add interesting double time rhythms to it that have more interesting timbres that don't sound small like this (starting ~23 seconds) while also not everything competing for space in the soundfield rhythmically.

 

[Walt Thizzny]

I feel trapped.

so, i've been working on a new track for several days now and I keep coming up with ideas that I spend hours and hours developing just to ultimately scrap them

Maybe I've let this board exert to much influence on my thinking, but one thing that really has me in a bind is the feeling that "oh, never mind, the dissensus consensus is that sounds old".

What am I to do, make some rhythms

Sure yeah do that

or throw in some loops that supposedly sound "crazy" because they are syncopated 160bpm rhythms made from dry, untreated decades old drum machine sounds?

That sounds good u should do that too

I guess I can't do anything too noisy or distorted unless I can get someone to spit some bars in order to give it street cred.

No your allowed to do anything too noisy or distorted. Its ok for u to do anything too noisy or distorted.

Maybe I should just scrap it all - have I just wasted a bunch of money (that I'm still paying back over time) to produce electronic music in 2025?

That wd be sad

Why does it seem like rock and pop music are immune from this?
I mean, Sabrina Carpenter can have a #1 hit song with loops named Surf Dad Rhythm (SURF DAD?????!!!!!) and Disco Live Feel (DISCO???!!!).
While Goldie's new Rufige Krew release sounds dated, right?!?!

All of the music u are talking abt is horrible

ugh - don't know what to do anymore!

Get some Poussierre in ur life my guy

 

[GhostofKinski]

Elton John says when he gets stuck on a track, he gets rid of the bit he likes the best.

So, he discards the cock?

 

[0bleak]

All of the music u are talking abt is horrible

agree to disagree... i mean, at least there are some electronic sounds in the rufige kru even if they are associated with the 90s

not to get too off topic or start another debate, (and I'm saying this in mind of if i recall correctly, you've said elsewhere that you've basically kind of abandoned a lot of electronic music) and the thing you posted (i listened to it about 15 min) while rhythmically interesting, to my ears it sounds like only just either trad sounds or using sounds or samples of trad sounds from whatever area the producers are from (I could be totally wrong about that, I'm not a musicologist, but the sounds don't sound very "electronic").
I mean, it could be a new style with old sounds, but generally the timbres are just important to me as the rhythms.
in other words, that's fine and all, but not what I think of when thinking of interesting timbres

 

[DLaurent]

I would never programme patterns as too hung up on tone, or basically putting effects on it, as I always thought rhythm could come later, so I end up with a 4 bar loop for drums.

 

[luka]

The goal is to make something indelible and undeniable like 1000 miles or walking on the moon by the police

 

[thirdform]

I have talked to him a bit about it, but when I listened to what a basic demo of the beat on speakers other than my pa sound system, I realized what a horrible mess I had created with noise and distortion so basically scrapped that idea.

(don't know why I let it play for so long when you can get the idea in a tenth of that time or less).

I really like the original turkish beat, but it's at 78bpm, so trying to figure out how to get more energy out of it, basically, while not losing all of its character.

You probably need to work on your mixdowns if anything. Not knowing much about ableton (although the latest version is finally accessible) I couldn't advise you. It probably sounds too swirly without enough drum transience, if anything. But I really like it, I don't think you should abandon.

 

[thirdform]

maybe wack a huge compressor on the beat?

 

[thirdform]

Don't worry about being dated

All these tunes from 1989/1992/1998 that we love sound dated but more importantly they bang

No they don't.

This is what I don't approve of in the luka/blissblog version of musical consumption. It's too liberal and lacks real dictatorial zealotry. The point should more correctly be that jungle/techno/acid/garage are the ultimate forms of music and hence can not get old.

 

[luka]

I actually love third

 

[thirdform]

I actually love third

 

[0bleak]

maybe wack a huge compressor on the beat?

i've spent hours fckn around with compressors on the various noisy beats i've made from that loop - the problem is while they tame some of the frequencies, they can also take away the character of the original beat and/or what i've made them into
i think it just figured out (again) another new way using that beat in an interesting way