Conspiracy Competition. I lay down the gauntlet.

luka

Well-known member
Staff member
priggish finger wagging without moral, intellectual or creative substance. as you well know.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
OK then, in the Eco-eqsue spirit of inventing our conspiracies, how about:

Ayn Rand was actually a committed socialist and wrote books such as The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged as a joke to illustrate the absurdity of libertarianism and unfettered capitalism, but she underestimated the stupidity of the American public and was aghast when millions of people took her books at face value and thought the ideas in them were great.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Human beings were genetically engineered from Australopithecus stock by ancient astronauts who, while being brilliant scientists and technologists, were also ferociously litigious. Our so-called 'junk' DNA actually encodes text, representing an end-user licence agreement, various intellectual property and copyright statements and a lengthy disclaimer.
 
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Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Modern Freemasonry inherited the anti-Catholic prejudice of the Knights Templar that resulted from the order's persecution by the mediaeval Roman Church, and it was because of their influence that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were chosen as targets for nuclear bombing because they had the biggest concentrations of Japan's Catholic population.
 

CrowleyHead

Well-known member
The little sympathy I had for him soon evaporated when the evidence of police corruption turned out to be "all the symbols they have on their helmets, they're illuminati, yeah?"
Nation of 5% and NOI openly teach the theory that white people are the rebelled slaves from a rogue islamic scientist, originally bred from albine apes in the Caucus Mountains.

(No no, keep reading)

This is a mythos that is convenient and astronomically absurd (and later revealed not a holy text but a stolen sci-fi story), but is used to explain away the question of why white supremacy happens and why racial stratification is so upheld by white society in the West: Vengeance.

If you look at the realities of people who become willingly racist in a lot of English speaking countries such as America, there is a vicious anger and hate of those who've they've colonized or enslaved 'coming back to claim what's they've obtained'. A culture that historically more and more we've learned that has been 'stolen' in so many ways and then rehistoricized to paint a portrait of so-called white superiority. What is it that so many racists fear? Their marginalization, their insignificance, their dependency on a perceived cultural capital they cannot restore and lash out at those who would DARE demoralize them so. And so they lash out in... Vengeance.

There's also something there clearly as a message of hubris in these ideologies of "Forgiveness and benevolence to them is something we should not do", which is an antithetical to colonization's encouragement for those who they would oppress to become forgiving Christians.

Sometimes, we use the parable to teach people. The illuminati mythos is popular and it's easy access for those who can't necessarily deal with an education system that wants to talk about power and systems of control for any reasons. It is easier and more illustrative to think of power groups as Evil Forces, like something from a comic or a movie, rather than constantly wrap one's mind of the ways you are an explicit tool in the push pull.

Identifying those who control you as evil through mythology is necessary when those who have the complex ideas don't necessarily speak to or for you, and especially when so many figures who get that right are revealed to be as implicit in social and political 'games' with you as a bargaining chip in the greater games and no input or authority over your life.

When you don't get help, you justify and grab what you can.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Christianity and Islam were both secretly started by the Elders of Zion to spread Yahweh-worship among gentiles. The rank-and-file clergy of these religions are unaware of this, but the Pope and all the world's archbishops, cardinals, ayatollahs and senior imams in fact report directly to a clandestine council of superiors headquartered in Jerusalem, Washington DC and that big kosher bakery on Stamford Hill.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
The idea that all and any fat is bad for you and should be avoided was promoted by corn syrup producers in the USA with the result that manufacturers of processed foods switched from fats to monosaccharides as the main vehicle for flavour, resulting in the American (and eventually worldwide) obesity epidemic.
 

HMGovt

Bamber Clatscoigne
The idea that all and any fat is bad for you and should be avoided was promoted by corn syrup producers in the USA with the result that manufacturers of processed foods switched from fats to monosaccharides as the main vehicle for flavour, resulting in the American (and eventually worldwide) obesity epidemic.
This is true and has killed millions and is probably killing you, right now. As for inflammatory industrial PUFA seed oils, there's your cancer pandemic.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
That's the more or less true one, yeah. Dunno about a cancer pandemic - isn't that more to do with people living longer and not dying of other things so they die of cancer instead? Seem to recall a really big metastudy suggested that 60% of all cancers are just due to genetic bad luck, rather than lifestyle, diet or environment. (Not that there aren't some aspects of modern living that aren't potentially carcinogenic, obviously, but at the same time, bear in mind people in developed countries are smoking far less than they used to and there's far less heavy industry in many areas, for example.)

Edit: do you mean 'me', personally? I eat very little processed food and am by no means a cake addict. I know I've been critical of Atkins-type diets here in the past but I'm well aware of the risks of very carb-heavy diets too.
 
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HMGovt

Bamber Clatscoigne
Dunno about a cancer pandemic - isn't that more to do with people living longer and not dying of other things so they die of cancer instead? Seem to recall a really big metastudy suggested that 60% of all cancers are just due to genetic bad luck, rather than lifestyle, diet or environment.
Sure, it's just bad luck! Nothing at all to do with what they're selling you.

"In animal experiments it’s long been known that corn oil reliably increases cancer rates. For example, mice that were fed a diet high in corn oil had double the incidence of cancer. Dietary corn oil promotes tumors in rats by impeding apoptosis, or programmed cell suicide, in cancer cells. In humans, we have the Israeli "paradox"."

From Vegetable Oils Are Dangerous to Health

Vegetable oils are in everything. If you're looking for a rabbit hole to go down, the alimentary-pharmaceutical complex goes deep.
 
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Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
I never said "just" bad luck, but from what I've read about it, genetic predisposition is the most important factor. I'll post some links later.

Edit: seems I've got it wrong, it actually is mostly about previously healthy DNA spontaneously developing mutations when cells divide.

It was the study that launched hundreds of scientific rebuttals, insinuations that the authors had been paid off by the chemical industry, and charges that it was a “massive” stunt “hidden behind fancy numbers of doubtful quality.”
The claim that sparked this controversy? That “bad luck,” more than environmental factors or inherited genes, affects whether someone develops cancer, implying that preventive efforts from smoking cessation to environmental cleanups were largely pointless.
Now the authors of that 2015 paper are back. In a study published on Thursday in Science, they double down on their original finding but also labor mightily to correct widespread misinterpretations of it. This time, using health records from 69 countries, they conclude that 66 percent of cancer-causing genetic mutations arise from the “bad luck” of a healthy, dividing cell making a random mistake when it copies its DNA.


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Separate research has shown that roughly 42 percent of cancers are preventable by, for instance, not smoking, maintaining a healthy weight, and not being exposed to cancer-causing pollutants.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/most-cancer-cases-arise-from-bad-luck/
 
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HMGovt

Bamber Clatscoigne
I never said "just" bad luck, but from what I've read about it, genetic predisposition is the most important factor. I'll post some links later.

Edit: seems I've got it wrong, it actually is mostly about previously healthy DNA spontaneously developing mutations when cells divide.



https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/most-cancer-cases-arise-from-bad-luck/
Cancer isn't just a disease of genes. It seems to be as much about metabolism, look up Warburg. Targeted genetic therapies have failed abysmally. But they do have the benefit of being hugely expensive and keep lots of scientists employed and research departments funded.

I'm not hear to debate you, or anyone. I'm here to give you the benefit of superior knowledge and offhand perspicacity.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Can you explain what you mean by "Cancer isn't just a disease of genes"? Cancer is an uncontrolled cellular reproduction caused by genetic malfunction, isn't it?

And I thought personalized cancer therapy was generally regarded as quite promising, and if it isn't saving millions of patients a year yet, it's because the field is still in its infancy.
 

droid

Beast of Burden
The papers Nancy MacLean discovered show that Buchanan saw stealth as crucial. He told his collaborators that “conspiratorial secrecy is at all times essential”. Instead of revealing their ultimate destination, they would proceed by incremental steps. For example, in seeking to destroy the social security system, they would claim to be saving it, arguing that it would fail without a series of radical “reforms”. (The same argument is used by those attacking the NHS). Gradually they would build a “counter-intelligentsia”, allied to a “vast network of political power” that would become the new establishment.

Through the network of thinktanks that Koch and other billionaires have sponsored, through their transformation of the Republican party, and the hundreds of millions they have poured into state congressional and judicial races, through the mass colonisation of Trump’s administration by members of this network and lethally effective campaigns against everything from public health to action on climate change, it would be fair to say that Buchanan’s vision is maturing in the US.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...james-mcgill-buchanan-totalitarian-capitalism
 
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