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Beagle

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Keep Thirdform.

Ban Barty for saying all black men who don't wear balaclavas in rap videos are 'cooning'
 

sadmanbarty

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no, it wasn't about that other thread specifically but an authoritarian lethargy that has infected the bord. instead of you all telling bellwoods that we've moved on form that discussion, you had to put me in the position of saying it whilst you all played along like an obedient flock of sheep. if it wasn't for outspoken personalities like me this forum would hit 2013-16 levels of boring. Luke knows this. that's why he needs me more than I need him.

there isn't an authoritarian lethargy. in fact there was an excitement on and with the forum that was articulated by a number of users before all this blew up.

that thread got people excited. lots of users flocked to it. i didn't contribute properly because i didn't want to have to deal with the fallout i anticipated (this thread proving my trepidation was well founded).

not to suggest i don't want you on the forum, but there was a period last year where you took a break and things flourished. likewise that future thread would have i imagine.

so please don't believe this notion that being rude and sabotaging and unkind somehow gives the forum a spunk and energy and fuel. it doesn't, it just makes it untenable. it makes it a place where no ideas happen, no conversations, no fun, no niceness. it's shit.

harassing people and lobbing straw-men their way and throwing subliminal shots at them all the time isn't useful. it's not funny, it's not interesting, it's not helpful. it's inane frankly.

again. i like you. i have a lot of affection for you in fact. i'd be surprised if you didn't know it. i'd be more than happy to rattle off a list of all the brilliant stuff that's come from you.

but please don't try and justify these behaviours. just hold you hands up and say "sorry, i fucked up. i won't do it again" and move on. i've had to do the same on the forum in the past. there's no shame in it.

if this kind of stuff gets out of hand i really wouldn't be surprised if there was an exodus from dissensus. people just looking at it seeing that it's increasingly toxic with fewer and fewer redeeming elements and just going fuck it, it's not worth it.
 

thirdform

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there isn't an authoritarian lethargy. in fact there was an excitement on and with the forum that was articulated by a number of users before all this blew up.

that thread got people excited. lots of users flocked to it. i didn't contribute properly because i didn't want to have to deal with the fallout i anticipated (this thread proving my trepidation was well founded).

not to suggest i don't want you on the forum, but there was a period last year where you took a break and things flourished. likewise that future thread would have i imagine.

so please don't believe this notion that being rude and sabotaging and unkind somehow gives the forum a spunk and energy and fuel. it doesn't, it just makes it untenable. it makes it a place where no ideas happen, no conversations, no fun, no niceness. it's shit.

harassing people and lobbing straw-men their way and throwing subliminal shots at them all the time isn't useful. it's not funny, it's not interesting, it's not helpful. it's inane frankly.

again. i like you. i have a lot of affection for you in fact. i'd be surprised if you didn't know it. i'd be more than happy to rattle off a list of all the brilliant stuff that's come from you.

but please don't try and justify these behaviours. just hold you hands up and say "sorry, i fucked up. i won't do it again" and move on. i've had to do the same on the forum in the past. there's no shame in it.

if this kind of stuff gets out of hand i really wouldn't be surprised if there was an exodus from dissensus. people just looking at it seeing that it's increasingly toxic with fewer and fewer redeeming elements and just going fuck it, it's not worth it.

well, like i said, noone's sticking up for Luke here. noone is saying Luke's right, even when criticising me, which again not all unwarranted.
 

pattycakes_

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@barty I'd say you and luka do your fair share of putting people off staying and joining here too, tho. I mean, yeah you're both entertaining and smart n all. But you also stir things up in a very backhanded, covert way. It's hard to figure out if you do it in purpose or it's your ego getting inflated. With luka it's much more obvious. Either way, it causes tension. I'd be surprised if anyone backs this up. Most will likely defend you, but a couple of weeks ago, you and luka took a week off and things were really chill with some nice discussions going on and no unnecessary tension being synthesised for anyone's own personal enjoyment. Seeing as we're being honest I feel like this needed to be said. I don't want anyone to quit. I just think we need to all be a little bit conscientious of the fact that this place can feel like the worst kind of boys club at times. Which is a big shame when you consider how much creative talent we have to play with between us all. Not to mention those that are probably to nervous to fully participate.
 
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baboon2004

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I think the reason some people haven't posted here is not out of timidity or lack of interest, but because they don't know the ins and outs of the personal animosities on display here.

It would help to know what is the specific thing that was said that got everyone in such a tizz? Generally being annoyed with someone doesn't cut it, because that's just a clash of personalities ultimately. IT'S DISSENSUS
 
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thirdform

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@barty I'd say you and luka do your fair share of putting people off staying and joining here too, tho. I mean, yeah you're both entertaining and smart n all. But you also stir things up in a very backhanded, covert way. It's hard to figure out if you do it in purpose or it's your ego getting inflated. With luka it's much more obvious. Either way, it causes tension. I'd be surprised if anyone backs this up. Most will likely defend you, but a couple of weeks ago, you and luka took a week off and things were really chill with some nice discussions going on and no unnecessary tension being synthesised for anyone's own personal enjoyment. Seeing as we're being honest I feel like this needed to be said. I don't want anyone to quit. I just think we need to all be a little bit conscientious of the fact that this place can feel like the worst kind of boys club at times. Which is a big shame when you consider how much creative talent we have to play with between us all.

Nail.. head.
 
Despite all this hatred I find this distant respect and acceptance of flaws and high hopes for the forum genuinely heartwarming lads. seriously.
 

luka

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I think the reason some people haven't posted here is not out of timidity or lack of interest, but because they don't know the ins and outs of the personal animosities on display here.

It would help to know what is the specific thing that was said that got everyone in such a tizz? Generally being annoyed with someone doesn't cut it, because that's just a clash of personalities ultimately. IT'S DISSENSUS

Thirdform has spent the last three days smearing his shit over the walls and soft furnishings as he always does. Shitting himself and smearing it's everywhere trying to rub it on people
 

sadmanbarty

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@barty I'd say you and luka do your fair share of putting people off staying and joining here too, tho. I mean, yeah you're both entertaining and smart n all. But you also stir things up in a very backhanded, covert way. It's hard to figure out if you do it in purpose or it's your ego getting inflated. With luka it's much more obvious. Either way, it causes tension. I'd be surprised if anyone backs this up. Most will likely defend you, but a couple of weeks ago, you and luka took a week off and things were really chill with some nice discussions going on and no unnecessary tension being synthesised for anyone's own personal enjoyment. Seeing as we're being honest I feel like this needed to be said. I don't want anyone to quit. I just think we need to all be a little bit conscientious of the fact that this place can feel like the worst kind of boys club at times. Which is a big shame when you consider how much creative talent we have to play with between us all.

I know there was a period where I definitely did say contentious things just to start conversation and I have since apologised a couple of times for it.

I appreciate there are users who aren’t so keen on my garishness, so I take time off every now and then just to give people a break from me.

I don’t think I ever go in and smash peoples sandcastles though.

I know there are times where I say something with a clearly ludicrous level of authority that other users don’t appreciate the silliness of (Star Trek is gross, Sonething I said about prince).

I will try to take it on board. Sorry if I get annoying sometimes.
 

luka

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Sucking everything and everyone into the vortex is of boring madness as per usual.
 

luka

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I'm not interested in being a mediator. I'm saying what needs to be said. Enough is enough. I'm not a peacemaker.
 

luka

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Give us the forum back so we can enjoy it and not get sucked into this every time you've had a bad day
 
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