The Mask (and Hypocrisy)

[sufi]

yes indeed - the written self, the created personaility, the projected identity or ...
the monkey

ventriloquism almost a lost art, it's really odd how easy it is to treat the puppet as an independent identity this for example is just too brain scrambling to keep up with

Nina Conti the ventriloquist is really full of insights about how you relate to the mask - and the literal sock puppet, not just in her comedy
her film is worth a watch, https://putlockers.fm/watch/vMqwK5pv-her-master-s-voice/other.html

 

[shiels]

sartre doesn't go far enough with the idea does he? he's still positing this binary thing, an idea of total freedom vs objectifying yourself. hes looking at it the wrong way round (he starts with the self)

 

[IdleRich]

that said I'll post some of my favorite mask quotes, b/c I'm quite interested in this stuff, despite being stunted at it

"A mask tells us more than a face" - Oscar Wilde.
Did you ever see Onibaba? Er.... or The Mask with Jim Carrey?

 

[shiels]

im speaking outside my 'realm of competency' now someone is about to come in and school me and i welcome it

 

[woops]

im speaking outside my 'realm of competency' now someone is about to come in and school me and i welcome it

no i think it's a good insight actually.

the key point in sartre's existentialism is "existence precedes essence" - he uses the example of a tool which has a an existence as a hammer-shaped object prior to its use for driving in nails. "etre en soi" (being-in-itself) is differentiated from etre-pour-soi (being for itself). so your waiter is too authentic, for sartre, to his waiter-essence, but this to the waiter is his self.

the "persona" / essence / self is what sartre tries to surpass in the awakening of the main character setting out to write his book and so realising his "existence"... i think

i remember reading some heidegger and realising the etre-en-soi / etre-pour-soi are the same things as heidegger's sein and dasein but it's ages since i've been that clever.

anyway, now @poetix and @thirdform are coming to the thread to school me

 

[shiels]

i am interested in this stuff. ive been shaped by all sorts of quite different social contexts and what not. i cant go as far as shiels and say there's nothing there. that doesnt jibe with my experience. its malleable but its hard to shake the sense of some coherent something in there, buried deep down inside.

there is something there but it’s a bundle of qualities. myth like, self fulfilling but changeable across environments and conditions

 

[shiels]

View attachment 4622
this feels v relevant

What is it?

 

[sus]

"The camera is a demanding creature, you have to feed it."

 

[version]

I got told off on the Pynchon Discord server because I changed my avatar and username constantly and nobody knew who I was. Just the other day someone said they thought I'd been gone for ages despite being there the whole time.

 

[WashYourHands]

Uncovering the mask of borderline personality disorder: knowledge to empower primary care providers - PubMed

Knowledgeable, nonjudgmental primary healthcare providers can play a key role in providing BPD sufferers and their loved ones with accurate and timely diagnosis, referral, treatment, resources, and support. Internet blogging may have important implications in care.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[version]

I remember reading a story about a woman who had some sort of stalker or anonymous saboteur trying to break up her marriage, get her fired etc and it turned out to be some random she'd had an argument with months ago under a news story on Facebook. This person had found out where she worked etc and set about trying to destroy her over an internet argument. Terrifying.

 

[luka]

my dad had the borderline disorder thats what they say i never saw him wear a mask though, not even on halloween which was his birthday

 

[sus]

It feels connected to playing with stuffed animals or plastic dinosaurs or something as a kid. You inhabit them, act out dramas between them, alternating characters. Somewhere that ability got lost.

 

[WashYourHands]

You seen my dinosaurs mf?

That’s the mask speaking.

 

[constant escape]

It feels connected to playing with stuffed animals or plastic dinosaurs or something as a kid. You inhabit them, act out dramas between them, alternating characters. Somewhere that ability got lost.

The pathologizing arborescence of hegemony. You are only optimal for one role, no dilly-dallying.

 

[luka]

ive alwys been good with nutters as a result.

 

[luka]

It feels connected to playing with stuffed animals or plastic dinosaurs or something as a kid. You inhabit them, act out dramas between them, alternating characters. Somewhere that ability got lost.

Prynne talks about poetry as being connected to the imaginary friend you had as a child. Boggins or whatever his name was.

 

[version]

I once went into the main politics sub on Reddit and responded to someone in one of the busiest threads saying Hillary was worse than Trump because she'd used the stolen uranium to breed gigantic, mutant rats which she planned to unleash on the US and the responses were insane. Was interesting to see all these people completely taking me at face value, assuming I genuinely believed it, supported Trump etc and getting incredibly angry. I can see why it becomes a habit for some. Really satisfying and funny.

 

[luka]

trolling is absolutely brilliant i absolutely love it. havent done it for years though but i havent a bad word to say about trolling. best thing about the internet easy.

 

[version]

It's fascinating to be on the other side of it, to see people trying to work out whether you're serious or not. I kept leaving comments in all caps on one of the footy subreddits like HAHA! THAT'S WHAT THIS BEAUTIFUL GAME'S ALL ABOUT, BABY! KEEP THE FAITH, SON! and had people asking if I was drunk, having a stroke, telling me to fuck off etc.