IdleRich
IdleRich
I can't really help much here cos it ain't my favourite sound to be honest
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IdleRich
IdleRich
I didn't know it was on Chloe's show... but you're not wrong. She's a nice person and I'm sure she's a great DJ and label head and all that but as a presenter she is absolutely terrible... this sort of inverse personality able to suck the life out of anything and make the most fascinating subject sound boring beyond belief... I believe she's presentijg the longest running show on NTS...
No idea about burnt bridges... wouldn't have thought so cos there are so many people involvedc- unless you personally insulted every single person on the station. Which, being you, I mean, you don't go for half measures so it's not impossible.
william_kent
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I was extremely drunk last night and any questions I may have asked were "rhetorical"( ? ). I'll never be asked to present a show on NTS, so it doesn't matter if I insult them or not, but I'm actually a sensitive soul, but I should have learnt my lesson about stating my mind online from years ago when I said some record on some label run by some guy from the Emeralds was miles better than the previous release ( which was frankly shit , and I'll still stand by that ) and then he messaged me to tell me to "fuck off" even though I was praising the decent record but obviously he took umbrage at me expressing an honest opinion that was posted on some super obscure collaborative blog
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blissblogger
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I can't remember and I'm not going to look through all the pages but I don't think this has been posted
blissblogger
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Nor this from another ex-Velvet, which is a major omission in terms of nutty artist statements - Lou Reed exalting his methamphetamine symphony Metal Machine Music (subtitle The Amine β Ring - a reference to chemical structure of amphetamines)
“NOTATION – When I started the Velvet Underground and its various springoffs, my concern was not, as was assumed abidingly lyrical, verbally riented at heart, ‘head’ rock, the exploration of various ‘taboo’ subjects, drugs, sex, violence. Passion—REALISM—realism was the key. The records were letters. Real letters from me to certain other people. Who had and still have basically, no music, be it verbal or instrumental to listen to. One of the peripheral effects typically distorted was what was to be known as heavy metal rock. In Reality it was of course diffuse, obtuse, weak, boring and ultimately an embarrassment. This record is not for parties/dancing/background romance. This is what I meant by “real” rock, about “real” things. No one I know has listened to it all the way through including myself. It is not meant to be. Start any place you like. Symmetry, mathematical precision, obsessive and detailed accuracy and the vast advantage one has over “modern electronic composers.” They, with neither sense of time, melody or emotion, manipulated or no. It’s for a certain time and place of mind. It is the only recorded work I know of seriously done as well as possible as a gift, if one could call it that, from a part of certain head to a few others. Most of you won’t like this and I don’t blame you at all. It’s not meant for you. At the very least I made it so I had something to listen to. Certainly Misunderstood: Power to Consume (how Bathetic): an idea done respectfully, intelligently, sympathetically and graciously, always with concentration on the first and foremost goal. For that matter, off the record, I love and adore it. I’m sorry, but not especially, if it turns you off.
One record for us and it. I’d harbored hope that the intelligence that once inhabited novels or films would ingest rock, I was, perhaps, wrong. This is the reason Sally Can’t Dance—your Rock n Roll Animal. More than a decent try, but hard for us to do badly. Wrong media, unquestionably. This is not meant fo the market. The agreement one makes with “speed”. A specific acknowledgment. A to say the least, very limited market. Rock n Roll Animal makes this possible, funnily enough. The misrepresentation succeeds to the point of making possible the appearance of the progenitor. For those for whom the needle is no more than a toothbrush. Professionals, no sniffers please, don’t confuse superiority (no competition) with violence, power or the justifications. The Tacit speed agreement with Self. We did not start World War I, II or III. Or the Bay of Pigs, for that Matter. Whenever. As way of disclaimer. I am forced to say that, due to stimulation of various centers (remember OOOOHHHMMM, etc.), the possible negative contraindications must be pointed out. A record has to, of all things Anyway, hypertense people, etc. possibility of epilepsy (petit mal), psychic motor disorders, etc… etc… etc.
My week beats your year.”—Lou Reed
Speefreak attention to detail
Speed can make you pedantic, or at least, obsessively annotative - on the front of Metal Machine Music, there's a footnote to the subtitle "The Amine B Ring" at the bottom of the cover
"dextrorotory components synthesis of sympathomimetic musics" - again, more pharmacological idiolect from Reed the non-dilettante ("no sniffers please... the needle is no more than a toothbrush" speed-user
“NOTATION – When I started the Velvet Underground and its various springoffs, my concern was not, as was assumed abidingly lyrical, verbally riented at heart, ‘head’ rock, the exploration of various ‘taboo’ subjects, drugs, sex, violence. Passion—REALISM—realism was the key. The records were letters. Real letters from me to certain other people. Who had and still have basically, no music, be it verbal or instrumental to listen to. One of the peripheral effects typically distorted was what was to be known as heavy metal rock. In Reality it was of course diffuse, obtuse, weak, boring and ultimately an embarrassment. This record is not for parties/dancing/background romance. This is what I meant by “real” rock, about “real” things. No one I know has listened to it all the way through including myself. It is not meant to be. Start any place you like. Symmetry, mathematical precision, obsessive and detailed accuracy and the vast advantage one has over “modern electronic composers.” They, with neither sense of time, melody or emotion, manipulated or no. It’s for a certain time and place of mind. It is the only recorded work I know of seriously done as well as possible as a gift, if one could call it that, from a part of certain head to a few others. Most of you won’t like this and I don’t blame you at all. It’s not meant for you. At the very least I made it so I had something to listen to. Certainly Misunderstood: Power to Consume (how Bathetic): an idea done respectfully, intelligently, sympathetically and graciously, always with concentration on the first and foremost goal. For that matter, off the record, I love and adore it. I’m sorry, but not especially, if it turns you off.
One record for us and it. I’d harbored hope that the intelligence that once inhabited novels or films would ingest rock, I was, perhaps, wrong. This is the reason Sally Can’t Dance—your Rock n Roll Animal. More than a decent try, but hard for us to do badly. Wrong media, unquestionably. This is not meant fo the market. The agreement one makes with “speed”. A specific acknowledgment. A to say the least, very limited market. Rock n Roll Animal makes this possible, funnily enough. The misrepresentation succeeds to the point of making possible the appearance of the progenitor. For those for whom the needle is no more than a toothbrush. Professionals, no sniffers please, don’t confuse superiority (no competition) with violence, power or the justifications. The Tacit speed agreement with Self. We did not start World War I, II or III. Or the Bay of Pigs, for that Matter. Whenever. As way of disclaimer. I am forced to say that, due to stimulation of various centers (remember OOOOHHHMMM, etc.), the possible negative contraindications must be pointed out. A record has to, of all things Anyway, hypertense people, etc. possibility of epilepsy (petit mal), psychic motor disorders, etc… etc… etc.
My week beats your year.”—Lou Reed
Speefreak attention to detail
Speed can make you pedantic, or at least, obsessively annotative - on the front of Metal Machine Music, there's a footnote to the subtitle "The Amine B Ring" at the bottom of the cover
"dextrorotory components synthesis of sympathomimetic musics" - again, more pharmacological idiolect from Reed the non-dilettante ("no sniffers please... the needle is no more than a toothbrush" speed-user
william_kent
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has there been a "contractual obligation" thread?
blissblogger
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Dunno, but I don't think MMM was that, even though many said it was - he seems to have sincerely thought it was an electro-acoustic masterwork. Didn't he push for it to be released via Red Seal, the classic division of RCA?
william_kent
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he makes a case in some Lester Bangs interview that it is a total work of art and that it was a deliberate aesthetic decision that each of the LP side is exactly sixteen minutes and one second long, and that is not because that's when the tape cuts out or anything
i bought MMM for £20 when i was 15 or 16 from money working in my uncle's market hall shop. i got it straight after reading the lester bangs review. it was from a shop in the byram arcade which no longer exists, called dead wax. the guy asked me if i knew what i was buying.
needless to say i've listened to it approximately once. probably worth something now.
needless to say i've listened to it approximately once. probably worth something now.
blissblogger
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definitely worth something if it's in good nick, which only playing once would suggest.
it's a nice thing to have with the liner note and the gatefold and all that, but if i had one, i doubt if it'd be getting much repeat play.
i burned it off a friend but i don't think i've played the CD-R since
said friend claimed to play it as ambient falling-asleep type music - i suppose it might actually work, in the same way that the noise and vibrations of a plane taking off always make me nod off for a while
well, actually MMM at a low volume would be not unlike the noise machine we use to ease the passage to slumberland - it generates 'brown noise' I think is the term (as opposed to white noise and pink noise)
droid
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Listening back after many years of exposure to far more extreme music - despite some annoying frequencies, MM seems way more melodic and less harsh then I remember, not a million miles away from Terry Riley. Reed did make one fantastic drone record, so I dont know if its entirely far fetched to claim MM as a serious work.
blissblogger
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it's really good isn't it - it's making me sway a little and nod off in front of the computer - sapping the will to do any work