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Not sure I understand this, could you rephrase it?
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luka
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Yes i knew you would say this but I want to make the distinction. I want to say that mode of being and spectrum of affects is prior to and distinct from ideology.
luka
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Yes, I think so. One sec
constant escape
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Perhaps, if you define ideology as a formal sort of label that you place yourself under. I define as this, as well as the specific/unique set of values that one would be conforming to the standards of the category.
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I think "ideology" pertains to the whole spectrum of beliefs/values, from specific/unique to general/categorical.
luka
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A self, an experience of self, is partly what we are capable of experiencing, what we are set up to experience, what spectrum of affects, what can get in and register and act upon us, what thoughts occur etc
and it is also how we police the space in which experience happens, what we allow to happen there, what we try to prevent from happening
and it is also how we police the space in which experience happens, what we allow to happen there, what we try to prevent from happening
That's dissensus's whole modus operandi
constant escape
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Okay I think I see your point.
I just use "ideology" to refer to both the values that feel organic and indicative of your nature, as well as those that you force yourself to comply with.
That said, both instances are maps, rather than territory. You define/articulate your organic values in reference to the values defined/articulated around you, and you define/articulate the value you force yourself to uphold in reference to those around you.
I just use "ideology" to refer to both the values that feel organic and indicative of your nature, as well as those that you force yourself to comply with.
That said, both instances are maps, rather than territory. You define/articulate your organic values in reference to the values defined/articulated around you, and you define/articulate the value you force yourself to uphold in reference to those around you.
constant escape
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So I'm not saying that the locus of experience, the psychic singularity, is reducible to values,
but I tend to think the self, as a socially defined/reified map, is reducible to values.
but I tend to think the self, as a socially defined/reified map, is reducible to values.
Adrenochrome is only oxidised adrenalin, it doesn't need to involve kids, just a pot of standard issue adrenalin, air and some time, like in the olden days
constant escape
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"values" in the broadest sense I can conceive of, meaning any significance ascribed to anything, quantitative or qualitative.
Do you have a posh phone voice?
luka
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I'm interested in how you get trapped in this or that self
luka
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My voice changes depending on what aspect of my mind I am using.
luka
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Similar to that Burroughs line, who scared you into time into body into shit.
How do we get trapped in these selves without range of movement, a neurotic self, say. A frigid self, a frightened self.
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this conversation is moving a bit fast but ill interject and say reading this reminded my of the - i think zizek thing- ideology operating at its most pure when we think we're outside it
‘The form of consciousness that fits late-capitalist “post-ideological” society – the cynical, “sober” attitude that advocates liberal “openness” in the matter of “opinions” (everybody is free to believe whatever she or he wants; this concerns only his or her privacy), disregards pathetic ideological phrases, and follows only utilitarian and/or hedonistic motivations – stricto sensu remains an ideological attitude: it involves a series of ideological presuppositions (on the relationship between “values” and “real life”, on personal freedom, etc.) that are necessary for the reproduction of existing social relations’