The Dub Scale

Gabba Flamenco Crossover

High Sierra Skullfuck
It's a bit unfair on old Wagner to make him no.1, tape machines hadn't been invented when he was around. Anyone who's ever heard a large choral work performed in a stone church will know that those classical cats were down with the world of echo.

In fact, recent academic research suggests that Wagner and Nietzsche collaborated briefly on a sound system in Liepzig in 1871, but gave up when they failed to agree on a name: Wagner wanting to go under the monikor of Valkyriddems, while Nietzsche preferred Superman Sound.

Nietzsche's fascination with dub reggae culture continued to inform his work even after this schism, in books such as Wagner, Im A Rawda Rassclat, Yunno? (later retitled by his publisher as On The Geneology Of Morality). He remains the only person in history to have successfully cultivated a dreadlocked mustache.

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Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Hahaha. And I bet I old rug-face knew a thing or two about existential 'dread' as well... :)

Funny, once you start to think about dubby sounds, you can hear it in a lot of places - I'm listening to some very spaced-out Neubauten remixes at the moment and there's a certain uneasy dub-ness to them.
 

john eden

male pale and stale
Wagner is infinitely more dub than Primal Scream. Actually, if you're suggesting that Wagner is somehow the opposite of dub, you're dead wrong. He was pretty much the first composer to engulf himself in sound-in-itself, his music is full of deep, heavy, oceanic soundspaces, and in a way he was much more a "producer" than a composer.

This thread is officially GREAT!
 

Gabba Flamenco Crossover

High Sierra Skullfuck
OK, revised 10 with a new, more worthy (in both senses of the word) bottom rung:

1. Wynton Marsalis
2. Morrissey
3. Bob Dylan
4. Wagner
5. Joe Meek
6. Black Sabbeth
7. Martin Hannett
8. Mauritzio
9. Lee Perry
10. King Tubby
 

mos dan

fact music
this thread is indeed great.

i don't want to derail, but can i ask - since you lot know about this and i don't - what is the official take on primal scream's 'echo dek'? i bought it as a callow 14 year old who had quite liked 'vanishing point' and thought the concept (a dub remix album of an indie record) sounded interesting. i can barely remember what it sounds like now.
 

nomos

Administrator
i don't want to derail, but can i ask - since you lot know about this and i don't - what is the official take on primal scream's 'echo dek'? i bought it as a callow 14 year old who had quite liked 'vanishing point' and thought the concept (a dub remix album of an indie record) sounded interesting. i can barely remember what it sounds like now.
personally, i love it, at least parts of it. i don't know if it's not cool to admit that but i thought sherwood was brilliant with it. i've never really heard any other primal scream so i'm not sure how it compares.

where do creation rebel and the maffia sit in this then? was it on uncarved.org that i read about mark stewart coming back from shaka gigs with distorted tape recordings and telling sherwood that that was what he wanted to make? maybe it was in rip it up and start again.

and rza has his moments as well, at least early on (e.g. 7th Chamber pt. 2 - as in dubbing as practice not sound)
 
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Martin Dust

Techno Zen Master
OK, revised 10 with a new, more worthy (in both senses of the word) bottom rung:

1. Wynton Marsalis
2. Morrissey
3. Bob Dylan
4. Wagner
5. Joe Meek
6. Black Sabbeth
7. Martin Hannett
8. Mauritzio
9. Lee Perry
10. King Tubby

Morrissey is still wrong tho, don't believe the crap the NME printed, he has a large collection of reggae 45's...
 

mos dan

fact music
personally, i love it, at least parts of it. i don't know if it's not cool to admit that but i thought sherwood was brilliant with it. i've never really heard any other primal scream so i'm not sure how it compares.

interesting. i should dig it out. yeah i was wondering if it was cool to like it as well.


btw one last ace of base comment: someone should do a mash up of them with kode9 - 'i saw the sine of the dub'

i'm in a silly mood, sorry.
 
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