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BareBones

wheezy
around christmas 2009 there were loads of posters on the tube advertising a jeremy clarkson book with a slogan/quote saying something like "shakespeare? i'd rather poke my eyes out". My mate defaced one of them so that it said "culture? i'd rather drive a mercedes around pointlessly."
 

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I haven't kept that close an eye on this stuff, just seen and read bits and pieces over the years, but the latest is that the security services captured one of El Chapo's kids and were then driven out of a city and forced to let him go after being surrounded by cartel members. Apparently there were shootouts in the street and all sorts.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-m...st-of-kingpins-son-after-mayhem-idUKKBN1WW34O

Is there even a workable solution at this point? Supposedly the cartels are making more money than some small countries, they're as heavily armed as the Mexican military and they've branched out into legitimate business like selling fresh produce and oil. What can you really do against that kind of operation?
 
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There was some bloke on Rogan (I know, I know) who's been down there reporting on it for eighteen years or so and the stories he was telling... you just sort of throw your hands up and don't know what to say. It's a similar feeling to seeing the Amazon burning on the other side of the world. This monumental catastrophe you can't really do anything about and which it's a struggle to even get your head around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edZR_nPp1l8
 

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Horror movie stuff.

Over 40 skulls found at altar in den of Mexico cartel suspects

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Police found more than 40 skulls, dozens of bones and a fetus in a glass jar next to an altar in the den of suspected drug traffickers in Mexico City during a raid this week, authorities said on Sunday.

Four of the skulls were built into the altar in the central Tepito neighborhood, where police arrested 31 people on Tuesday on suspicion of drug cartel activity, the city government said in a statement. A judge ordered 27 of the suspects released.

A photo distributed by the Mexico City attorney general’s office showed skulls clustered around the altar, which had a cross behind it adorned with a horned wooden face mask. To the right of the altar was a painted wall full of symbols that included a pyramid topped with a hand, celestial bodies and the head of a goat with a hexagram between its horns, according to photos of the room published by local media. In front of the wall stood a variety of objects, including dozens of wooden sticks with colored markings.

A spokeswoman for the attorney general’s office said authorities were still investigating the provenance of the skulls, at least 42 of which had been found. Investigators also discovered knives, 40 jawbones, the fetus and 30 leg or arm bones at the site, the office said. It was not yet clear whether the fetus was human, the spokeswoman said.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-m...n-den-of-mexico-cartel-suspects-idUKKBN1X702H
 

luka

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That's the argument you said spengler makes. The land itself imposes a shape on its people
 

Mr. Tea

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I think it's not quite the same, as he was talking about the USA and the descendents of European settlers, whereas many people in modern Mexico are descended partly or wholly from the original native inhabitants. And a lot of their beliefs weren't stamped out but sublimated into a very syncretic kind of Catholicism.

Plus of course it's possible to learn about your ancestors' beliefs from books or the Internet or whatever. I'd guess this is somewhat analogous to far-right groups in Northern Europe calling themselves the "Sons of Odin" or fetishising the Knights Templar.
 
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Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Of course, on a poetic level it's hard not to think of Burroughs' line about how America "is not a young land. It is old and dirty and evil, before the settlers, before the Indians".
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
The Titty-Twister club in 'From Dusk Till Dawn' that turns out to be built on top of an Aztec pyramid.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
Horror movie stuff
100% not surprised it's Tepito, infamously the black market neighborhood and long (like, for centuries) associated with all manner of crime

it's always the example I use when telling people Mexico City isn't a place to fuck around unless you really know what you're doing

strangely it's very close to the zocalo (i.e. the Palacio Nacional etc) and the Zona Rosa (affluent/tourist/gay neighborhood) so it's easy to stumble on unawares

then again, here in Chicago we famously had one of the country's worst housing projects - Cabrini Green - about a mile from the Loop for decades
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
having said that, and acknowledging the staggering level/form of violence, power of the narcos and lack of state control in swathes of the country

it's too easy too to get a Sicario type impression of the country as just a chasm of severed heads etc

Mexico has always existed to some extent that way in the American psyche - lawlessness, violence, poverty - which isn't untrue but is one-dimensional and incomplete

let it never be forgotten that drug violence as presently constituted was kicked off by Calderon (two presidents past) declaring war on the cartels in 2006

largely as a way to drum up support/legitimacy following a very narrow electoral victory over Lopez Obrador (aka AMLO, longtime lefty and current prez)

not that everything was peachy keen before that, but the narcos - to my understanding - kept it among themselves to a much larger degree

and it spiraled totally out of control - both shattered the status quo into an endless churning sea of ever-increasing sea of savagery, and exposed fundamental weaknesses of the Mexican state
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
having said that

that shit with Chapo's son was fucking wild

narcos shooting down helicopters and shooting up cop/military columns isn't new, but taking over a whole city - not a tiny town up in the hills - like that is
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
sidenote on the Spengler/land/heritage side

there are Mexican Nazis or similar. it's wild. I never ran into any but a Mexican antifa type skin explained it to me once.

it's been many years but iirc the types

1) regular white (i.e. claiming only "Castilian" heritage) Nazis

2) more interesting - claiming that the mestizo union of European + indigenous is the master race - la raza cosmica of Jose Vasconcelos in place of the Aryan

they are both very fringe to my understanding, but do exist

on a more casual note you can buy Nazi stuff - shirts, copies of Mein Kampf, etc - from street vendors in Mexico City without anyone blinking

tho that has to do with ignorance I think, there being very few Jews in Mexico
 

luka

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I went through a degenerate phase of watching YouTube videos about California's prison system and its either north or south Mexicans that side with the ayran nation and other white prison gangs
 

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re: the altar of skulls - is there genuine religious/spiritual/mystical sentiment behind stuff like that or is it just intimidation tactics?
 
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