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it is quite understandable that Europeans try to deny the predominantly black, primarily African and Afro-American foundation of modern pop and dance music. Europeans come from cultures which spent 1000 years condemning rhythm based music as "animalistic" and "primitive", "characteristic of...

oh i thought you meant new developments. that article is what sparked the current round

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thanks for that! will ch ch chek it any of it online? my subscription ran out a few years ago...

on the money. "complex network", "hybrid beast" - while these claims are valid to an extent, they are more often used to deny the foundational and primary influences from Afro-America, and ultimately Africa, on all modern pop and dance music. See, this is exactly the kind of white washing...

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it's related but not really. more of a moodier, more emo and art school version of thug trance.

doesn't really matter does it. Again, it's like a German putting harsh noise on top of Jewish music and calling himself Gas Oven, and then say: "NO! It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the holocaust!!! It's a reference to my grand mother's kitchen!!!" :rolleyes:

is that woebot's wife then?

of course there are loads of micro scenes. what i described above is only 1 crew and 1 party. i'm sure there is underground stuff - i just haven't paid any attention to D'n'B at all in recent years. healthy small footwork scene, some bass parties, as much as i complain there is of course a...

local Drum'n'Bass scene in Berlin is fucking horrid. Clicked on i think the most popular crew and party recently, for whose event 400 RSVPed on fb, and the mixes they are peddling is filled to the brim with indie-pop crooning, pastoral preset chords, smooth jazz on top of "hard" beats LOL ...

what's not to understand? mainstream pop emotionalism + big-room electro house euphoria + mid-range rage and aggressive bass drops :rolleyes: Celine Dion + Ibiza Trance + brostep very, very of this world.

good stuff bro. take your point about white people. but it's just that they all look the same... i keed i keeeeeeed

are you equating this Adam Ant video with straight appropriation of African music under a name which references colonial torture of Africans?

lol did i say that "mysteries of inner being" thing?

jesus fucking christ. how can anyone defend this shit?

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