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Last night I listened to David Sylvian & Robert Fripp's The First Day for the first time. That was great. Why hadn't I heard of this one before? -looks at the cover- Ok, maybe that's why :) Now: Mastercuts Classic Electro vol. 1 compilation.

Yeah, all this talk of the Spartans fighting for "freedom" in the trailers etc really gets my goat. The Spartans were probably the most brutal and elitist of the ancient Europeans... Check out how they treated their slave class: there were regular officially sanctioned slaughters of Helots...

Hey all, I've been away from this machine for a while (avoiding it after exams, essays, work etc). This thread's fun. I found this clip a couple of days ago - a bit cheesy but I liked it anyway and I'm sure there'll be some here who might like it too: Junior Boys Godard Mashup (So This Is...

Wicked! I can't wait - although April next year seems a long way away... :slanted: I saw one of Godard's recent films which used DV to really good effect. It looked good in 28 Days Later too...

Yeah Andrew Bolt is a melbourne right wing nutter columnist. You can get more of an idea of where he's coming from at sites like this and this. I saw the Borat the other day. I thought it was very funny - Larry Charles does a great job directing adding his own black touch to the proceedings...

LOL! Keep holding onto that raft... :D

well, that's the whole point of racism isn't it: to set the lower classes to fighting amongst themselves instead of chasing the real crooks. It's all about displacement... As they say in the classics: Everyone's a nigger when you're working for the man.

Ah yes, but in that case I was trying to make an equivalence (maybe too obliquely) between the offensiveness of the racism in Borat and the offensiveness of the violence in A Clockwork Orange to try to show how offensive content in a work can be justified. I got the feeling that you guys in the...

I meant you and nomadologist, obviously.

Oh for pity's sake! If you're going to digress try to bring back to the thread topic... Otherwise start a new one please... It's basic netiqette, man...

This stuff re Godel and politics sounds fascinating and would make an interesting discussion perhaps if someone started a new thread in the Thought section, esp. as I'm not sure how it invalidates logical principles etc. Please! You might be right on this point, ahundredmillionlifetimes, even...

to which he replies with the immortal "I might hate myself but it's got nothing to with my being a jew!" thirded.

Yes, but in fact the two situations are indeed very different. What's wrong with the infinite regress again? I have/had my own ideas about that (it's not a bad thing). I'll need a reminder though... And yeah, we should probably start a new thread... :) You're still wrong in this one! :D

I'm with swears, probably something upbeat: ok off the top of my head... eg. maybe "We Gotta Get Outta This Place" by The Animals or "Am I Ever Gonna See Your Face Again" by The Angels. - with the obligatory unofficial additional lyrics... ;) I Iike the wyatting idea though...

I noticed on Mick Harris' MySpace that he's done some Lull style music for this flick...

You reckon? He seems quite a strong independent character. I also think he's a pretty neat depiction of a retail clerk (having been one myself) - his catch-phrase "thank you come again" could be the same for anyone who's worked in a shop... As for his accent, Chief Wiggum has a funny voice...

Hmm... none of it actually says that he withdrew the film because he thought it was immoral or "dangerous" as you seemed to suggest earlier on - in fact all the sources seem to suggest merely that he was sick of copping flack from every moral maniac in the UK, his home. Nor that he would never...

I think that's called a false analogy: eg. the two situations are more different than they are similar. Not sure how that's a critique of logic. I think someone who studies logical systems could run rings around these arguments. Logic isn't an end in itself, as far as I can tell, just another...

Yeah I've seen that one. I think it's the 2nd episode. Yes, very painful to watch. But that's whole point isn't it? The social trainwreck, yeah? And "playing the race card" is a short-cut to that. As for the Diwali song that's pretty tame. I had a middle management boss who was a social...

OK I'm summarising your arguments here re Kubrick's reasons for withdrawing A Clockwork Orange - I hope that's cool: 1. He withdrew it in secrecy and andependently of the controversy 2. OK appart from the last bit being an obvious straw man I'm not convinced by these arguments either. This...