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Yes John, sorry I missed this post and am mostly in full agreement with you here. I have spent time prodding some of this type of 'thinking' myself. However....you asked me what questions need asking and I hope you can understand why I'm reticent to get into it here, but there are questions...

I really don't want to get into specifics of the events themselves or their aftermath here, it's not the place and I know where web discussions about this topic usually end up. Either you think it's something worth looking at or you don't, apparently Brooker doesn't, but it's the suggestion...

That's fine - I just said there *was*, and there was. I didn't introduce the term here, my aim was to highlight a little bit about the way in which it has come to be used and the assumptions that now go along with it.

I've responded to people apparently misconstruing what it is I object to about that article.

Whichever one(s) did it. I'm pretty sure there was more than one person involved and I'm quite sure they kept quiet about it. That would be a conspiracy as I understand it.

How many times do I have to say that my issue is with the article? It's quite simple - I just think that it piles absurdities on top of fallacies in attempting to paint a picture of the position of those who are not wholly credulous about the official line on those events and/or whether it...

I know what you're saying - that it would be harder to do as an 'inside job'*, but that doesn't mean it would in theory need huge amounts of participants or bureaucrats or something absurd like that which is how Brooker, and others when talking pejoratively and condescendingly about 'conspiracy...

Yes absolutely. Just not form the point of that logical fallacy that some people seem to hold. That's all. More specific? I'm saying this: Imagine the paperwork. Imagine the level of planning, recruitment, coordination, control, and unbelievable nerve required to pull off a conspiracy of that...

Yes, apparently. So it's interesting the 9/11 commission has said it's wasn't interested in looking at where the funding was coming from, or the involvement of Pakistani secret service etc.

That's an overly simplistic straw man. What's meant by US government? Really you can stop there if you think that's as far as any thinking or investigation around this goes. Well if you take it all as read and at face value, then you take it all as read and at face value. I mean that all may...

No the point is - and I've heard and seen this - people say it would take hundreds of people to carry out those attacks (massive conspiracy) at the same time as saying that 19 people did it. It's just a silly position. It doesn't matter who you think did it, or why.

Who says they didn't do it? But you're almost making a case for the involvement or complicity of other parties yourself. As for 'controlled demolition', Well come on...

The 'cave dwelling arabs' meme was one officially pushed by the American government. That's the line - they were talking about Osama Bin Laden's mountain hide-out. Whether people actually believe that or not is beside the point. The point about scale - and why I mention that, is that pointing...

I'm not sure what you mean. No, it doesn't have to either/or. But presumably the man in the street believes something* - and according to ever-so-rational and right-thinking Brooker it is that there wasn't a 'conspiracy'. Except that of course there was. The implicit racism and duplicitous...

Shiels, I can't believe you mentioned the elephant in your first post.

Anti-semites are anti-semites, they'll try and find all sorts of reasons to justify their idiotic beliefs. The truth is empowering - telling people they should stop looking for it is daft. Of course 'massive (secret) conspiracies' don't exist in the sense of a big number of people colluding to...

The whole 'massive conspiracies can't exist because they are impossible to maintain' is a totally fallacious straw man argument. How is it people can say that sort of thing while simultaneously believing a small conspiracy of cave dwelling Arabs managed to orchestrate the whole thing? Well which...

Saw that reported here as well. Also from The Times yesterday - President George W Bush has told the Israeli government that he may be prepared to approve a future military strike on Iranian nuclear facilities if negotiations with Tehran break down, according to a senior Pentagon official...

I think it's usually used to mean wimpy, thin, ineffectual.

Yeah big up! It was worth asking - that's interesting. :)