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Have people been checking the Analog Africa releases of 70s afro-funk from around Benin & Togo? Afro-beat, funk, highlife, disco, soul, latin, psych... There's a couple of mixes to be had up on their blog, I think The Wire hosted one of them originally. Also this insanely groovy video of the...

How about passed-out drunk at a bar / club / party alone compared to moderately drunk with friends? Look, I think everyone accepts this, you don't need to worry. But that doesn't mean that the discussion necessarily ends there. There have been other assertions that to me seem illogical, and...

The analogies were suggested by waffle. The mistake there being to introduce this notion of 'complicity'. (Disavowed) complicity, perhaps? And since when has 'the law', or acting in 'good faith' had anything to do with reality?

I'm asking you about something you said. It seemed that you were both saying that drinkers drink excessively knowing it is perilous, but that we should excuse this because 'disavowal' is all over the shop. And then you seemingly wanted to apply this to rapists as well. I thought it was funny...

Yeah, dangerous sensationalism. Sometimes organisations like the Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse want to make themselves feel important by coming up with dramatic statistics. Dr. Donna Shalala needs a Phil Spector production though. Oh wait, on second thoughts maybe not Phil Spector.

Of course what has been said on 'this thread' is not what the broader discussion is about, but I think that's some of what people have taken exception to in this argument. If you see what I mean.

Is there a difference between victim blaming and just being honest about the facts? We can look at a couple of waffle's examples just now. If you cross the road at traffic lights without paying attention and being careful the fact is that just because you are in the right is no guarantee that...

I don't know if they do or don't. Was suggesting a possible reason for why the government might focus on women's drinking as a problem rather than men's as you suggest. It was a joke.

I was asking what you meant by bringing in the notion of the with reference to people binge-drinking with the (disavowed) knowledge that it is a perilous activity? I also asked what those perils might be understood to be but you avoided that question and instead said - Do I really need to...

Obviously because women drink less :rolleyes: But really, do they exclusively focus on women's drinking? Isn't this in addition to the main issue due to the perception that progress is not being made? They don't know what they are doing, it's different departments, and it's the usual...

What is it? It's a thing in scare quotes cos that's how people talk. In this case I mean The Guardian, Radio 4, BBC1, that kind of thing, what people would call mainstream 'liberal' media. I don't want to presume to know what the US equivalent outlets would be. In any given discussion in these...

Oh OK. Implications that are cowardly more like.

This is the accepted and implied orthodox position in the 'liberal media' and has been for quite some time. I guess it goes unspoken more of the time though. The alcohol industry lobby is huge don't forget, not to mention the absolutely entrenched drinking culture it thrives on and cultivates...

I'm not sure if people on this thread think that or not. Another way to look at it though is that most men just find it next to impossible to conceive of at all, so of course there is a difficulty and a repulsion in trying to imagine any scenario. It's unthinkable, or at least most would...

I understand this much... But then there seems to be a bit missing? Or is something other than 'the reason why' signified by that first 'it'?

Go off? Drop off more like. Listen, gonorrhea fingers, I don't know if padraig (u.s.) is comfortable with your assumed chumming up in some kind of imagined sickly idyll, maybe you know each other in (keeping it) real life, but it's an unseemly sight. Referring to people who say things you...

Is this actually a sentence? 'so many men'????

Obviously I was asking waffle that question because it refers to something he said.

That's not the quesion I'm asking, I ask it for a reason, it's pertinent to this discussion which has moved on a number of times. Do you really want to make a case for the equivalence of the two questions? But OK, we have established that most drinkers who drink excessively do so with an...

OK, most people who drink excessively think it's not such a good idea but do it anyway. What then would the perils of unrestrained drinking be understood to be?