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its basically ALL digital mystikz and loefa...stuff which was then strictly on dub....u can get quite a lot of it now, either on the Grime 2, or the CLASSIC ep DMZ2....you'll recognise so many off there...'lost city'....'10 dread commandments' and the stupendously minimal 'horror show'...this ep...

its on the flip of the proper release of Ps and Qs....heavy rhythm...heavy rhymes! i agree with luka....kano rules all!

yeh it was 'joy' by mark ruff ryder weren't it? stalwart of the strictly underground label.... heard that loads on the pirates at the time, and with lots of mcs chattin over it

yeh man, deffo....got the promo already (complete with wicked tagline at the end of bizzle goin "yeeeeeah if u want to book a PA for this NUMBER ONE HIT!!....") but we should all try and get it in the charts.... re: the riko thing, there was an ace letter from him in one of the Deuces, i'll try...

a (fairly) recent convert myself...... saw em earlier this year cos a mate was a long time fan, and boy was i blown away.....totally inspiring the polemic just seemed totally right when shouted out over very loud, lo-fi but not crap electro/disco beats, and a crowd of faithfuls singing along...

wow, many things to say on this whole thing..... been a regular at fwd>> for two years now, and checked out several grimey raves includin Fonti Dem Wanti at Ocean some time back, and have just put on a night of this sound in Bath, where Necta Selecta of the legendary Nopalumbo raves (where...

big up philip.... this brain-mashing tedium is beyond a joke now...... i work in a record shope and sometimes it seems all we need stock is joss stone, maroon 5, rod stewart and the acoustic complilations....very scary indeed

interesting thread..... i agree that "maturity" and proficiency on instruments doesn't equal better tunes, but give the boy a chance! if he can make I Luv U after school on minimal equipment, maybe he can get other instruments to work to his advantage... lets judge his music when it hits...