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It's neither revolutionary nor reactionary, it is a simple concession to facts really. This 'class is so old' thing is so old.

I wish... Don't know anything about rugby I'm pleased to say, but the cricket team, as has been established, are certainly not exclusively or even primarily public school... The England football team will make the final this time... and even if the analogy were flawed, it wouldn't mean that...

Not just money to be made from oil though.... as the article makes clear, there's plenty to be raked off from 'reconstructing' the Iraqi economy too.... trouble is, that both the neo-con neo-imperialist rationale and the cynical exploitation one are in effect, and both are bad...

Yes, that was the original claim .... Now --- are you disputing the facts in the article? If so, then fair enough. If not, then the last sentence, whilst somewhat purple, is hardly unwarranted.... a holocaust in the desert sands, sacrificing tens of thousands of innocent lives check for...

Dunno what you're talking about Dave... 'getting used to losing'.... hardly, getting used to winning is what is actually happening... in case you hadn't noticed, England just won the rugby world cup and the ashes in cricket... . its football team has just qualified for the world cup, and has the...

No? Well, I'd unequivocally say that Pop - in Britain - is a class phenomenon through and through.... Pop's like sport, whenever it's dominated by the middle class, you have mediocrity and incompetence... just look at tennis :)

This is now one of the oldest and weariest defences of indie on the block. Twenty years ago, the retro retreads of the Stone Roses - who remain for me the uber-criminals of indie - were sold as 'influenced by dance music' ---- listen to them now, and 'Fools Gold' apart (which was not influenced...

Which bit, precisely, is OTT and not directly warranted by the facts?

lol, no the MC i'm talking about is banned from hereabouts now... and has never chatted on the mic, as far as I'm aware....

Give me the warm piss, they're absolutely rubbish.... (though I do recall locking horns with a certain MC on this matter)...

There's nothing wrong with geeks, it's the idea of trying and failing to be a geek that is truly pathetic...

Wannabe Geeks... jesus god...

That's probably the best bit of the book, jd, though I do think it's well worth a go....

I give up....

yes, sounds right up my street...

Not as boring as indie though... Given the media acceptance and profile of these embarrassing bands, it is a duty to do what little we can to ridicule them...

I agree that they don't sound much like Franz Ferdinand - they're even worse, more like a jumble sale Pulp (and since Pulp were already jumble sale, well....) The singer does look like a chump; more precisely, he looks like Alan Partridge --- the hairstyle! the jumpers! and 'I'll do graffiti...

The Thick of It is repeated tonight on BBC4... the 9/11 thing is here

I find all this crushingly depressing...

Yeh, I started a thread on the Blunkett play here .... I ended up feeling sympathetic to Blunkett, which can't have been the point... plus Campbell must love his depiction as smooth, calculating behind-the-scenes Machiavell... (only Kimberly Quinn could really be offended, but the misogynistic...