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  1. vimothy

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    it will get rid of israel
  2. vimothy

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    why shouldn't Israel surrender
  3. vimothy

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    the logic being...?
  4. vimothy

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    the vice versa is that Israeli aims are as inimical to the interests of the Palestinians as hamas--which you agreed with, upthread. arguing otherwise is unhinged. the interests of the Palestinians are obviously not best served by their annihilation by israel, surely
  5. vimothy

    Craner Explains Hayek to Padraig

    I just mean that in general planning is literally essential, markets do not make themselves
  6. vimothy

    Craner Explains Hayek to Padraig

    he definitely overstates the risks of planning. consider that the firm--every firm--is an island of command and control
  7. vimothy

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    for the current configuration of Israeli politics then. where do you see this ending up, in terms of outcomes that are immediately achievable? to me it seems that israel has two options, both of which are failure modes: occupy gaza, or abandon it to hamas (or whoever replaces them)
  8. vimothy

    Craner Explains Hayek to Padraig

    in general, Hayek is better than his acolytes
  9. vimothy

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    it really is basic clausewitz stuff-- war as "politics by other means", the problem, for israel, is that there is no political solution to which it can push the dial absent the one thing it regards as unthinkable: some form of sovereignty for the Palestinians
  10. vimothy

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    you're basically holding the Palestinians for ransome, right? hamas have their hostages and israel have theirs. Israel's hostages are the entire Gaza strip. *they* are Israel's leverage.
  11. vimothy

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    but evidently they dont, so the whole logic fails. if Israel could kill their way out of this problem they wouldnt be in it. but they are.
  12. vimothy

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    i dont understand your logic. hamas doesnt care about civilian casualties and israel doesnt either. both sides are morally responsible - israel cant push all of this on hamas
  13. vimothy

    Craner Explains Hayek to Padraig

    in fact some degree of planning, even to construct classically "free" markets, such as financial or commodity markets, is absolutely necessary. markets do not arise from the aether, they must be created.
  14. vimothy

    Craner Explains Hayek to Padraig

    hayek is on solid grounds criticising the efficacy of comprehensive centralised planning. the notion that planning in general is destructive of democracy doesn't hold water however - it's clear that the existence of nationalised health care, for example, doesnt lead to inevitable tyranny, and it...
  15. vimothy

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    unfortunately it's not hamas who's getting smashed repeatedly in the face
  16. vimothy

    Wuhan Killer Sneeze (thanks Tea)

    level of rancor in this thread is ridiculous. let's stick to less contentious issues like the Israel-Palestine war, until everyone calms down a bit, ok?
  17. vimothy

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    lsrael is, in a sense, stuck in a quagmire, it cannot--probably evident since 73, certainly evident today--acheive a decisive military victory over its foes, but it also cannot conceive of an alternative strategy which all sides--including the Palestinians--can live with, so it is doomed to...
  18. vimothy

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    I agree with you and think it's important, as with Russia, not to fall into the trap of stereotyping Israel as unthinking war-mongerers. you can certainly read israel's attempts to build bridges with SA etc as tacit acknowledgement of the fact that it needs to find peaceful rapprochement with...
  19. vimothy

    Since it's been a while since we had an Israel/Palestine thread...

    good article on the tension between the "rules based order" and international law: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/leiden-journal-of-international-law/article/choice-before-us-international-law-or-a-rulesbased-international-order/7BEDE2312FDF9D6225E16988FD18BAF0
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