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dance around your apartment by yourself -- you're merely claimed by the music dance around with others -- suddenly this is your music in common with others play the records that others are dancing to -- you're sharing your take on the music but just because the music is yours doesn't mean...

also contra tim -- i'd say that the value of music is to be had not in its potential for being taken up critically rather the value of music lies in its potential to be engaged with politically -- the politics of dancing -- the experience of being claimed by the music -- and the politics of...

i think that somehow k-punk's point regarding the difference b/w "populations" and "communities" has gotten lost somewhere along the way this is what k-punk said -- so tim f seems to me to miss the point when he remarks as follows -- that is, to the extent that the grime scene is populated...

i'm too broke at the moment to take advantage of this offer but what a brilliant idea! perhaps we should institute a program whereby anyone from the UK who's visiting nyc (or other parts of the states) must announce in advance that he's doing so . . . . in exchange for hospitality, free...

this is nature at its most undeniable and it's surely non grata to any good kantian (k-punk's spinozism perhaps makes him a bad kantian, i.e., perhaps for k-punk the somatic is not non grata) you can resent it, but you can't fully extirpate it

yes yes yes yes yes -- that's it in a nutshell

k-punk can speak for himself -- but i don't think that k-punk has any objection to "charisma" -- on the contrary! -- rather his objection to these charismatic grime & hip hop figures is that despite their charisma they still "represent" the hood, i.e., it's a twofold representation: (1) this is...

i think that eppy's pop-1/pop-2/pop-3 is a helpful *descriptive* scheme that fits with the experiene of dance music -- but i seem to be the only person here that finds it useful as for the "ought" side of the equation, surely people at dissensus have views on this?

by contrast, even though the "massive" is a construct insofar as each member of the massive relates to the massive's field of production differently, i.e., some make music, some only listen to the pirates, some only buy records, others do all three but to various degrees, etc -- and also a...

and i should add that this is why i still give my loyalty, at the end of the day, to the dance scene i'd say that w/in the cosmopolitan dance scene that people of afro-carribean descent are regarded more as firsts among equals, or that it's recognized that they have a special claim or...

getting back to the community vs populations distinction, i'd like to salvage this point that blissblogger made . . . . yes -- but w/ rave you had the sense that the scene was a newly open & contested field -- and so you literally had people from all kinds of musical & music scene backgrounds...

this is perhaps too cheeky by far -- and i don't want to take this conversation off topic, i.e., i find conversations like the present one far more productive (and thoughtful) than conversations over in the thought section of dissensus -- but the impish & needy child in me can never resist...

you don't need to spend much time in america to realize that most white americans have weird problems with black people, and vice versa and there's also weird dynamics b/w jews and blacks in america -- i.e., lots of the civil rights fighters were jewish college kids --- and indeed even before...

lest this turn into a mutual admiration society and we all start to gag on the saccharine -- i'll just say that you impress me as knowing far more about most things than i do -- there's really only 3 or 4 things that interest me in this world and that i therefore know a thing or two about plus...

i don't really know the details -- other than that he did say it -- but in the ny times materials he says that the quote was taken out of context, or based on a misunderstanding, or whatever standard view of bellow is that he drifted to the cultural right yet he was contemptuous of politicos...

perhaps i should give "augie march" another try don't think i made it more than 20 pages last time -- 'twas many years ago -- but i have a copy of the book somewhere -- need only to find and read i have a bias for "tighter" works of fiction -- which is why i've endorsed "the victim," "seize...

which doesn't mean that he didn't disagree w/ their fundamental mode of existence rather you have to envision kids taking different routes out of the ghetto -- i.e., bellow came from same jewish ghettos as the machers -- i.e., not until mid-century did jews become the "most successful ethnic...

off-topic this -- -- but yeah it's why i'm trying to get into union-side labor law -- openly antagonistic -- no do-gooderism

which is not to say that i even want to feel represented if anyone can be said to represent me and my experience, etc, it'd probably be the james murphy figures and i don't want that (not that i'm anti-dfa, it's just not my elixir) and i suppose that goes some way toward explaining why i'm so...

yes yes yes -- you've made a key point that i hope others will take up i suppose that my use of the term "massive" has obscured this essential difference the raving massive = a produced population the grime massive = an already-existing organic community, i.e., the streets of east london...