Decade or so later than what? I'm not following I'm afraid. All the songs I quoted from are from the same year. 1996.
The whole 'real hip hop' thing is a narrative that was pushed by diehards in the 00s trying to promote something that recreated, or kept that flame alive.
And to me it seems that that has coloured the view of people in this thread when it comes to looking back on this music very much after the fact.
Now I see her in commercials, she's universal
She used to only swing it with the inner-city circle
Now she be in the burbs, lookin' rock and dressin' hippie
And on some dumb shit when she comes to the city
Talkin' bout poppin' Glocks, servin' rocks and hittin' switches
Now she's a gangsta rollin' with gangsta bitches
Always smokin' blunts and gettin' drunk
Tellin' me sad stories, now she only fucks with the funk
Stressin' how hardcore and real she is
She was really the realest, before she got into showbiz
Sure, but the historical context is completely different.I suppose the phrase hadn't coagulated yet, but there where threads from then that carried over.
Common wrote I Used to Love H.E.R. in 94. This message that money and gangsta lifestyle was corrupting the culture is pretty clear, the last line being a direct progenitor for the phrase.
This place is impenetrable at times anyway because threads consists of 20 pages of broken thoughts between people who have spent a long time conversing with each other, that move on to a completely different topic by the time you've got done reading them, not to mention they reference other 20 pages of the same, with a history that goes back years.
Sure, but the historical context is completely different.
Back in 88 when De La Soul, ATCQ etc came out talking about stuff like positivity & Afrocentricity, they're speaking to their friends and contemporaries, and a mainly black audience. In the 00s version rhh seems to be a small minority of black dudes preaching to a mostly suburban white audience.
Surely lumping them all together as the same thing is problematic.
I've never really had the time to converse or pay attention to what the latter day 'real hip hoppers' believe constitutes 'real' beyond occasionally noticing what they deemed as not. Plenty of golden era rap didn't preach in the way De La Soul or Common did. I presumed that these 'real heads' were simply really into the boom bap era. That covers an incredibly diverse area when it comes to lyrical subject matter. Do they not like Wu Tang becauses ODB said shit like "I want pussy for free, I want pussy for free, You can not have my money”. Surely they love Mobb Deep despite expressing their willingness to "Rock you in your face, stab your brain with your nose bone"?
do they even have like an opinion on Sean Price.
I'm not saying there isn’t truth in this, but is it really all that sinister? Or is that what KRS1 is really about?Yeah, this is was what my initial bit was about. 'Real hip hop' the discourse/orthodoxy, not the music that it subsumed, was evolving into a way of keeping rap/black music marginalized.
I'm not saying there isn’t truth in this, but is it really all that sinister? Or is that what KRS1 is really about?
When Chris Rock said in his set that it's now impossible to intellectually defend rap music because of the shameful level lyrical content had dropped to. Is he not echoing similar, fairly widely held, sentiments - just not reaching the same conclusion.
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FWIW, none of my ire was directed at you or one particular post E. but thank you for engaging with me.
No that's cool haha.
I don't know about intellectually, but morally, a lot of it gotta be indefensible. Which is completely fine. Obviously they're not really shooting people in the head between studio sessions, but on the other hand, many of these workarounds that pop culture journalists do in order to salvage it, that it's all just stories and zero glorification, that it's the exact same thing as mafia movies, seem disingenuous as well, right?