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    as some (most) people on this board know i went to the same school as david cameron etc. [not] sorry if this comes as an horrific shock.

    in fact i personally knew (some of them very well) the people in the george osmond bullingdon photo. it does turn the stomach quite a lot.

    at the start i didn't like cameron as prime minister.

    i hated all those years of endless headlines about eton college. in fact i remember it as quite a quaint old-fashioned institution with a very heavy emphasis on moral duty - arrogance and snobbery were frowned on. not cool. big money was not heavily in evidence. most of the pupils were from "nouveau poor" or fading aristocracy - upper middle classes on their uppers. lots of slightly mad and very bohemian families. children of the kind of etonians who were hanging out with the rolling stones. but MAINLY i suppose quite stupid and boring people on autopilot for life - who would unthinkingly repeat their own existence on their children ad infinitum...

    the eton the newspapers describe - of oligarchs and royalty. that came with the princes and most especially with the headmaster tony little who relished the truly horrible rich ethos. but tbh i don't know if even that is a fair reflection of what it's like nowadays. BUT the fees are something 10x higher and the PR is curdled - so i'm probably right in saying that...

    i DID come round to cameron. i know his wife - who was art school with me - and i think he's a sincere and genuinely reconstructed guy. certainly a bit of of a silly ass - BUT NOT A BAD PERSON. trying to do his best in fact. osbourne maybe made of weaker stuff.

    who was there when i was at school was jacob rees-mogg. his house was beside mine. people used to come to my room and throw wet loo-roll out of the window at him as he entered that building below. jacob used to walk around, a rod for a back, with an umbrella at all times. i think he used to have a poster of margaret thatcher on his wall. at all times he was robotic and spoke to people (not arrogantly as such) as though they were infantile. honestly i don't think he would be a healthy choice for the kind of person to be prime minister.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    i DID come round to cameron. i know his wife - who was art school with me - and i think he's a sincere and genuinely reconstructed guy. certainly a bit of of a silly ass - BUT NOT A BAD PERSON.
    That will be a comfort when the ration books arrive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    i DID come round to cameron. i know his wife - who was art school with me - and i think he's a sincere and genuinely reconstructed guy. certainly a bit of of a silly ass - BUT NOT A BAD PERSON. trying to do his best in fact. osbourne maybe made of weaker stuff.
    I don't understand how he could be viewed as anything but a callous, despicable wretch? And arguably the worst and most destructive PM Britain has ever had (granted, he may be beaten to the post on that one).

    Bemused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baboon2004 View Post
    I don't understand how he could be viewed as anything but a callous, despicable wretch? And arguably the worst and most destructive PM Britain has ever had (granted, he may be beaten to the post on that one).

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    I think even next to Blair's unrepentant war-lust and May's seemingly limitless incompetence and pusillanimity, Cameron will go down in history (or perhaps already has) as The Man Who Fucked It All Up. He deserves even more blame than Johnson, whom he can only have known would have used the referendum to further his own career with fuck all consideration of the consequences for the country.

    I mean, until two years ago it was at least conceivable that Labour would eventually rally, that Corbyn would either soften his anti-EU stance in response to pressure from the Europhile majority of Labour MPs or simply be replaced as leader, and that even with the Tory papers doing their usual thing, public antipathy to endless grinding austerity, attacks on the NHS, the Windrush awfulness etc. might have led to a Labour victory in 2020 and at least started to pull the country out of the doldrums. But now? We're not in the doldrums any more, we're in a fucking nosedive. Just totally hopeless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baboon2004 View Post
    I don't understand how he could be viewed as anything but a callous, despicable wretch? And arguably the worst and most destructive PM Britain has ever had (granted, he may be beaten to the post on that one).

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    i wouldn't claim cameron didn't cause problems - but unlike osbourne or rees-mogg i don't believe his motives were self-interest. this only matters in the context that most people on the left have something like an intellectual block in understanding the ethical motivations of those on the right; exhibiting such *shock* at the brexit and trump victories.

    the left might stop for a moment and consider that - sincerely - people don't like authoritarian leadership - are suspicious of so-called idealists' ability to "selflessly" manage the state.

    a great proportion of people on the right don't vote that way *necessarily* out of self-interest. some do - but it isn't just "false consciousness" that causes the working classes to vote for the right. in the uk many "normal" people are innately suspicious of the left - and it's patronising to put that down to dacres and murdochs.

    i'd agree that the right ARE MORE IGNORANT of the value of the state and, yes, have played into the hands of global business (that chart droid posts is chilling). but the left should get past the personality politics and this endless pilloring of supposed secret cabals. they'd be much more effective.

    to his credit corbyn doesn't get locked into this - and if he wins THIS will be why - because he can touch more deeply the key issue of COMPASSION and ditch the strident/student politics of hatred.


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    think youre in the wrong meeting Matt. sorry mate.

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    Agree with your post Matthew mostly, but Corbyn is an exemplar of what you're talking about, rather than any kind of exception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    i wouldn't claim cameron didn't cause problems - but unlike osbourne or rees-mogg i don't believe his motives were self-interest. this only matters in the context that most people on the left have something like an intellectual block in understanding the ethical motivations of those on the right; exhibiting such *shock* at the brexit and trump victories.

    a great proportion of people on the right don't vote that way *necessarily* out of self-interest. some do - but it isn't just "false consciousness" that causes the working classes to vote for the right. in the uk many "normal" people are innately suspicious of the left - and it's patronising to put that down to dacres and murdochs.
    Still bemused. Right-wing politicians and those who vote for the right are ... two totally different things. Don't understand what the various motivations of Tory voters has to do with Cameron being a self-interested twat who has utter contempt for poorer people and vulnerable people. So not all self-interest, some good old fashioned discriminatory hatreds too.

    But if we are now talking about Tory voters instead - why is it patronising to say that the Dacres and Murdochs prey on people's hopes for a better future by lying to them and stoking up hatred? I can see why the term 'false consciousness' is not ideal, but everyone is susceptible to being swayed by propaganda, and the likelihood of that happening becomes greater the more someone has to believe in a better future cos their present is a bit shit (economically speaking). The papers you named specifically target people who are in that situation.

    And to state the obvious, many millions of working class people don't vote for the Tories, even if their support among working class people is indeed increasing according to the stats as things get more desperate.

    While many on the Left might have been shocked in one sense at the Brexit and Trump votes, then I think this would be the shock of disappointment rather than the shock of disbelief (perhaps felt by the centre) - after all, just history all over again, isn't it, the right wing profiting from economic pain and a deficit of hope.

    And of course people like authoritarian leadership - they show tacit approval for a system that shrinks the life choices of the majority, because they're told it's the only option.
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    OK, who was down Somerset last week?

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    SHIT! What a wasted opportunity. This afternoon I drove past JRM in his vintage Bentley (naturally), or one of them, on the M5 in or near his manor in NE Somerset. It was definitely him, the plate even ended "MOG". I actually asked my girlfriend if she was prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice with me to take him out, for the common good, like. Sadly we bottled it.

    Sorry for my cowardice, everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baboon2004 View Post
    why is it patronising to say that the Dacres and Murdochs prey on people's hopes for a better future by lying to them and stoking up hatred?
    because the assumption in doing that is that the sheeple are incapable of making up their own minds

    ultimately though it's not a position i take much pleasure defending so i should just shut my fat gob

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    information about the world beyond what is received through the senses comes through the media and the media is owned by a vanishingly small number of self-interested individuals. making up our minds about things which, for us, only exist, in any meaningful sense, as images on a television, or as words in a newspaper or on the internet, is...

    in the nicest possible way, i think your take on this is pollyannaish in the extreme. it's not an adult view of reality.

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