luka
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It's that sense of the rhythm stopping on a dime isn't it. Flurries and abrupt halts and pauses.
Hades Presents: MJ vs. Prince
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It's that sense of the rhythm stopping on a dime isn't it. Flurries and abrupt halts and pauses.
sadmanbarty
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i didn't say those things, but luke said i did so that he could then complement himself and say he was insightful.
it is however insightful.
it is however insightful.
sadmanbarty
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i actually fucking hate drumming like that video. despise it with a passion.
luka
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Bang to rights
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
Also Rod Temperton, Cleethorpes-born genius (who wrote 'Give me the night' AND 'Rock with you')
I actually made a playlist of Temperton-penned songs when he died. It has 0 followers.
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droid
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Aphex vs Autechre.
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
Presumably Timbaland v Neptunes has already come up, probably the duel in which I would find it most impossible to take a side. Alice Coltrane v John Coltrane?
Presumably also someone has already linked to k-punk's blog on the "synthetic panther-sheen" of Billie Jean. http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/2009_06.html Great writing, with the added meta-bonus of a controversial nod to the sonic architecture of "I Feel for You"
Presumably also someone has already linked to k-punk's blog on the "synthetic panther-sheen" of Billie Jean. http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/2009_06.html Great writing, with the added meta-bonus of a controversial nod to the sonic architecture of "I Feel for You"
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
this one it must be, not heard of it before. pretty good list of contributors
luka
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"A new form of control emerged when shopping malls, VHS videos, charity records and TV commercials became interchangable aspects of the same commodity-media landscape: consensual sentimentality as videodrome. Well, it was new then, all that, but it's very old now, and scarcely visible to us any more now that we have grown habituated to living inside it. It was capitalist realism as entertainment, and we all bought to it, whether we liked it or not:"
I love these kind of massive sweeping claims
luka
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"America used to dominate us like a Lee Marvin sadist: it had no need of running interference from the emotions. Now it's gotten this "Don't you see I have to, because it was done to me" rap, and wants our wounded puppy tears. It wants pity, not awe. It used to be that you kept it zipped: now we have a "feminised" space of confession. It used to be that America's crucified heroes stalked Death Valleys and New Frontiers. Now they work in electronic space, blip time, sealed inside the soundbite, the video and the Vanity Fair cover."
More from baboons kpunk link
More from baboons kpunk link
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
I haven't...
It was a close thing for me. MJ was an omnipresent figure in my 80s pop childhood, though it was Bad rather than Thriller that provided the backdrop (I grew up in a household where pop was virtually verboten until 1987, when I rebelled and fell in love with it). But I never understood Prince - my best friend was a Prince fanatic as a teenager, and used to play me Sign o The Times on rotation to uncomprehending stares. Something too artificial and distanced about it, even for someone who loves artifice in pop.
But as an adult I've come to find something incredibly poignant about that distance, and that's totally affected the way I've responded to his music. Once a complete cynic, I've become a believer.
luka
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It's intriguing isn't it, that distance and artificiality. Version, Corpsey, Barty, have all said it represents a barrier they just can't get over. Prevents any connection at all. But in that thread we did about the '80s this was a recurring theme, this distance and this artificiality and the sadness of it, throughout the gamut of popular music.
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
Is there any sense in which this divide reflects the Jackson/Prince divide in a more modern context? I can't quite work it out.
luka
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This is the '80s thread I'm talking about
https://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=14871&page=3&highlight=AIDS
https://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=14871&page=3&highlight=AIDS