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Tarted up is maybe an unfortunate turn of phrase but anyone can be sex starved, needy and crave attention..... and Hitler was a man.
Tarted up is maybe an unfortunate turn of phrase but anyone can be sex starved, needy and crave attention..... and Hitler was a man.
Yes, but what would any of that have to do with an experiment about racism? Jeez.
You Godwinned yourself and made yourself look like a completely sexist freak all in one fell swoop.
If you disagree with the methodology used in the experiment, you disagreed with it. No need to go projecting all sorts of crazy sexualized motives onto the woman. (This is a chauvinist's preferred mode of maintaning social control over uppity women, I've noticed: a woman who is a professional and does something he doesn't like really just desperately needs to get fucked--presumably by him, of course.) Her gender and her sexuality really have little to do with the whole thing.
My werd I have touched a nerve. Maybe sex starved was a little much, but her entire demeanor really reminds me of all the nuns and priests I have encountered in education. The most sinister, wicked, aggressive and controlling people in the education system.
Sexism is another of the great water tight accusations employed by those without a reasonable argument I feel.
And 'projection' is more psychological rubbish fer faux-intelektuals.......perhaps some grammer and spelling mistakes could also be added to ur arsenal?
Second point - the programme demonstrated the blindingly apparent, yet generally taboo, point that we have not absorbed that lesson at all in any profound way (ie recognising the pervasiveness of prejudice). The people who were resistant betrayed their ignorance of this lesson (and their inability to comprehend being the victims of holistic prejudice) at every turn. Sure it was a different setting to 60s America, but ignorance persists, and this programme neatly uncovered issues that are simply rarely, if ever, addressed by the mainstream media (passing being an obvious one).
No room for debate or considered discussion.
The methods used by that that little sex starved Hitler proved absolutely nothing... The only purpose of that exercise was to feed her needy ego and get the attention she so craves, through another example of American human bear baiting techniques tarted up as a 'radical new approach in modern psychology' :
Yes, to be fair this was discussed towards the end and was I assume what the exercise was intended to reveal. This lady's method being I guess to insert herself in an exaggerated role of "the system", to the extent of bullying unwilling "oppressors" into playing the mean oppressor role.The problem with this is that racism is institutionalized, it's built into the economic, social, and political structures we live in, and so it's unavoidable. We participate in it all the time without even having to act at all, or feel genuine "hate."
Yes, to be fair this was discussed towards the end and was I assume what the exercise was intended to reveal. This lady's method being I guess to insert herself in an exaggerated role of "the system", to the extent of bullying unwilling "oppressors" into playing the mean oppressor role.
It did seem a bit confused though. The terminology moved back and forth from being about the game assignations of "brown eyes" and "blue eyes" to being about "white people" and "black people." Also having no non-white people on the "oppressed" side made it less clear if a general demonstration of prejudice and power relations was being made or if it was a simple case of role reversal which I think is more likely to throw it back on to existing assumptions without as much likelihood of reassessment.
Well I think this is where my problem with the experiment probably stems from...That's really strange-- if they wanted to do a black and white role play, they should've just done that and ditched the eye color premise. And yeah, it would've been better to mix up the races on each side in that case. And then ask the participants to act out a given scenario the way they think it would happen in "real life" if they were either black or white and in x role.
Reminds me a little of that scene in the American version of the Office where they have "racial sensitivity training" that turns out to be a big mess.
Sounds as if maybe what happened was the participants were supposed to keep the discussion of oppression limited to eye color, but because all the blue eyes were white and the brown eyes weren't, lines were drawn along race as well, and the race distinction sort of took over the experiment.
#i assumed that was because it's an arbitrary divide, which will place the people who have & havent experienced discrimination in different camps,That's really strange-- if they wanted to do a black and white role play, they should've just done that and ditched the eye color premise. And yeah, it would've been better to mix up the races on each side in that case. And then ask the participants to act out a given scenario the way they think it would happen in "real life" if they were either black or white and in x role.
Reminds me a little of that scene in the American version of the Office where they have "racial sensitivity training" that turns out to be a big mess.
Sounds as if maybe what happened was the participants were supposed to keep the discussion of oppression limited to eye color, but because all the blue eyes were white and the brown eyes weren't, lines were drawn along race as well, and the race distinction sort of took over the experiment.
it's more interesting to see how the 'i'm not racist, but' types respond,
The desire to both be on the moral high ground and enjoy bellitling people in the process is the dangerous thing here in the first place. The video they played where they had that women crying her eyes out was horrible. Cruelty for fun under the guise of moralism.
The video didn't really show her exposed as a racist at all though. It just showed that women shouting at her calling her 'worthless'. I wouldn't mind if it did expose them as racist but it didn't really.
I suppose that the woman who conducts these things is enjoying herself, and the people who she gives the right to abuse others for a few hours.