Tentative Andy
I'm in the Meal Deal
Wow. In some ways I wish I could feel the same, but really can't imagine doing so in the current situation.
Who are you voting for?
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Wow. In some ways I wish I could feel the same, but really can't imagine doing so in the current situation.
Slothrop
Tight but Polite
New question: if you live in a super safe seat so noone gives a shit how you vote anyway (www.voterpower.org.uk reckons I have 0.017 of a vote, although that is a pro electoral reform site so they'll be choosing their scale to exaggerate the effect as much as possible), what's the best protest?
Not voting?
Protest vote for a minor party?
Vote for the lib dems to strengthen their argument that first past the post constituency based voting is ridiculous?
Not voting?
Protest vote for a minor party?
Vote for the lib dems to strengthen their argument that first past the post constituency based voting is ridiculous?
What exactly does this phrase mean Vim? Ta.
vimothy
yurp
I just mean that everyone thinks we now have to have austerity measures to return the public finances to "health", i.e. that the economy is some kind of morality tale where if you "live beyond your means" you have to suffer the consequences--this is basically a varient of liquidationism circa 1929, and it seems to be the guiding philosophy of all three parties. Of course, it's nuts. What purpose does it serve to fire people from the public sector? You don't save money by foregoing output--it's totally fallacious pre-Keynesian pre-rational supersition.
But the newspapers have everybody in such a blind funk that large sections of the population are effectively calling for their own impoverishment / deflation. Up is down. Left is right. For example, today I noticed an NPR blog post calling for donations to pay down the national debt. It's ass backwards--the national debt is an asset, not a liabiltiy, so here is a public radio station trying to decrease the macro level / sectoral financial "equity" of the American people, and thinking that they're serving some kind of public purpose by doing it!
But the newspapers have everybody in such a blind funk that large sections of the population are effectively calling for their own impoverishment / deflation. Up is down. Left is right. For example, today I noticed an NPR blog post calling for donations to pay down the national debt. It's ass backwards--the national debt is an asset, not a liabiltiy, so here is a public radio station trying to decrease the macro level / sectoral financial "equity" of the American people, and thinking that they're serving some kind of public purpose by doing it!
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crackerjack
Well-known member
Heard you the first time, Brother B.
From that CiF piece:
Eh-UR! Science analogy FAIL.
Edit: and senior Lib Dems (specifically Paddy A quoting Clegg, I think) were reported as ruling out a coalition with the Tories in this morning's papers. So ner.
Incidentally Tea, assuming you're still in BGB, check out the Lib Dem candidate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajmal_Masroor
http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/ajmalmasroor
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
You know, I think I'm actually in Poplar and Limehouse since there was a boundary change a few years back. But cheers for the links, I'll have a look anyway. I'll probably end up voting LD by 'default' because there's no way I'm voting Tory or Labour and it goes without saying Respect can fuck right off.
I want to form the Contempt party. Who's with me?
samdiamond
Well-known member
I'm in Poplar and Limehouse, Respect people are everywhere. My mate was in the lift up to his flat yesterday and 3 guys asked him who he was voting for and invited him to their flat so they could persuade him to vote Respect. Very creepy.
crackerjack
Well-known member
4linehaiku
Repetitive
According to that voterpower website I live in the 10th most powerful constituency in the UK, so I have reconsidered my initial 'vote Green because it doesn't matter anyway' stance. Probably going to vote Lib Dem now and feel like a complete and utter twat when they inevitable fuck over 99% of their new voters by forming a coalition with the Tories.
Edit: Says something about the current electoral system that living somewhere where my vote actually matters makes me less likely to vote for a candidate I support. Bring on the STV.
Edit: Says something about the current electoral system that living somewhere where my vote actually matters makes me less likely to vote for a candidate I support. Bring on the STV.
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crackerjack
Well-known member
It's one big Lib Con love-in
When we get Tory-led, Lib-backed coalition I'm gonna spend 5 years saying "I fucking told you so".
mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
I've been claiming we caused that on the press release!
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
it was all a bit mysterious....
grizzleb
Well-known member
That's exactly what it reminded me of - It kind of made me wonder about the fantastical way in which much of that party probably views itself, totally trying to play out this romaniticised fascist narrative, it's sad and hilarious.
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
Probably night of the broken bottle, it would have ended up as.
Tentative Andy
I'm in the Meal Deal
It's one big Lib Con love-in
When we get Tory-led, Lib-backed coalition I'm gonna spend 5 years saying "I fucking told you so".
Yes, but... each vote for the Lib-Dems takes a vote away from the Tories as much as it takes one away from Labour. In fact, as I see it each vote lost in this way affects the Tories worse, because Labour - being the encumbant party in government and in the highest proportion of constituencies - only need to avoid losing more than a certain number of votes, whereas the Tories need to gain a substantial ammount.
If a rise in Liberal support splits the opposition vote within Labour constituencies, then that's something that could end up reducing the likliehood of a hung-parliament/coalition situation arising.
As I see it, all the talk about the coalition is all cloak and dagger stuff at this stage, it's very reliant on rumour. And with no personal offence meant, it's all coming from people who clearly have a huge vested interest in minimising the Lib-Dem support. (How could it not be so in the run-up to an election, I guess?) My own guess (and it is a guess!) is that all the mixed messages and secrecy coming from the Lib Dems means that in the event of a hung parliment they'll just form a coalition with whoever is the single largest party. And Labour are still most likely to be that party.
Really though, this whole debate is again indicative of the whole depressing situation for politics in the country right now - they way people are trapped in a situation of 'well, things are pretty bad right now, there's a way of vote that might make then slightly better, but perhaps I should think twice because doing so might accidently make things even worse'. People get scared away of attempting to support change or from voting in a way that actually represents their beliefs, and that can't be good for democracy overall.
crackerjack
Well-known member
Only to those thinking of voting Tory as an anti-Labour vote. That doesn't apply to any of the people I'm talking about, most of whom see a Lib Dem vote as the best left-wing option.
Perhaps, though I doubt it. But Clegg has explicitly ruled out the possibility of forming a coalition with Labour if they come 3rd in the popular vote and if Brown remains i/c. Since the prospect of Labour dropping Brown immediately after the election, putting another 'unelected' PM in Downing St is close to zero, that means a Lib-Con coalition.
No argument with that.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/elections/...ment-the-attack-on-brown-is-hypocritical.html
i agree mostly with this.
if i was gonna vote brown, his reaction this morning wouldnt convince me otherwise.
i agree mostly with this.
if i was gonna vote brown, his reaction this morning wouldnt convince me otherwise.
scottdisco
rip this joint please
this must be one of the few times a politician is in trouble for speaking the truth (and in plain, concise speech too)...