not necessarily, but a key element of "service industry" work is that the peak time for trade is often weekends, nights, etc. Like, you could train as a bricklayer and reasonably expect to work Mon-Fri if possible, but you wouldn't work in a shop or a salon etc and expect every Saturday off.
is music too middle class?
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shakahislop
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when i go to clubs, which is pretty much always techno, it looks like a pretty middle class crowd to me. hard to know though. part of the problem with these kinds of discussions is that the terminology ('working class' 'middle class' 'lower middle class') is really old and really loose. but nothing has come along to replace it yet, which is a surprise given how quickly social concepts and typologies are created and circulate at the moment.
metal tends to have a noticablely working class crowd, here at least.
metal tends to have a noticablely working class crowd, here at least.
shakahislop
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talking about clubs, there aren't a ton of people who can stay up all night on the reg, this is a barrier i feel keenly myself, and staying out til 4am at least is pretty much a prerequisite for getting involved in all of that. that's a major filter for who comes through the doors. probably overall a good and healthy one though. no idea how that cuts across class lines. but would speculate that it does in general mean that people who are for whatever reason grinding out busy jobs with long hours probably aren't going to show up. fuck knows though.
Leo
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also, does income equate to class in this discussion? because looks can be deceiving. I know a few borderline sketchy looking dudes who in fact make at least $150-200k in tech and ad agencies...if you saw them on a dance floor at 4:00 am, you probably assume they're some sort of alt-lifestyle/layabout/artist/music heads (or dealers).
Who are the working class?
I'm seeing more and more arguments about who is and isn't working class atm and very few people seem to be able to come up with a decent answer. The impression I currently get from politicians and the media is that "working class" is just shorthand for "white, socially conservative northerners,"...
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shakahislop
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probably it does equate yeah, more or less. although frankly i have no idea really how to talk about the class composition of nyc except that it runs hugely across racial lines, i guess that's totally obvious.
i am 100% certain that the chinese and central american delivery bike guys aren't at knockdown center on a saturday night. that goes without saying i suppose.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Or they have the kind of job where you can show up still buzzing your tits off and it doesn't really matter.
Dusty
Tone deaf
Loves it. He's only 5 though so his wider world view is pretty limited. Reasons for sending him are exactly as you described. Struggling local schools with classes of 30 kids and no budget. Selfishly; what else would you do?
My own upbringing in the 80's involved a close-kit village school in Oxfordshire with a class size of 18. That state education looked just like the private education he gets now.
I'm hoping this sets him up for a life of techno all-nighters and the luxury of dossing about in a studio with his rich mates.
IdleRich
IdleRich
I grew up in a village in Oxfordshire, classes were not that small though - I think around 30 - cos the village and school was so small each class had two year groups in it.
Well I wish him well. And I should probably be more careful to think that my general pronouncements also relate to real people.
IdleRich
IdleRich
Re - what would I do? It's hypothetical as I have no kids, however I think that the point to me is that your average private school gives your child extra in terms of education but is perhaps detrimental socially, so you have to weigh up the losses and gains of both - but clearly by that rationale there must come a point at which overall the private school becomes a net gain so... on a personal level I totally accept that a private school can be attractive if you can afford it.
Dusty
Tone deaf
I should point out that I was only messing about, I don't feel insulted at all. In fact I agree with everything you have said, and feel that strange pull of hating the very system I am paying to support - all thanks to my selfish genes.
shakahislop
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that's four of us i think
its probably something to do with the intergenerational trauma of the redrawing of the berkshire-oxfordshire border
its probably something to do with the intergenerational trauma of the redrawing of the berkshire-oxfordshire border
shakahislop
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the looming presence of wittenham clumps
shakahislop
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one day we will get our county back. lets take back control. fuck the Boundaries Commission
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
Love the clumps
woops
is not like other people
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