Corpsey

bandz ahoy
this is very true and important to recognise.
it's unfair to say "blackdown you've fallen off" because as far as i remember from the blog and coverage, and i have had an eye on the blog for a while, blackdown's barely covered the 'nuum in its realest sense (for me).

This is interesting to me cos it begs the question of where ''nuum'' music IS covered in the music press. Leaving aside the issue of whether or not the 'nuum concept is even helpful/relevant in this day and age.

Still - without wishing to insult the publications that have covered dubstep/post-dubstep (after all, I think the 'nuum concept is so crucial to dissensian discourse that it probably warps or restricts people's taste - my own has been, for sure - making us devalue whatever isn't made by ''nuum'' communities) - I wonder how easy it has been for people outside of music forums like this (and the scenes themselves of course) to read about UK funky, bassline house, jackin' et al?

I sometimes wonder if UK Funky 'failed' partly because it was never really covered by music journalists in the same way that Burial and co were. I can see why really cos with an artist like Burial there's so much to write about, its so highly conceptual and suggestive as music. Whereas its hard to say stuff about Ill Blu, say, other than ''they're great''. Tim F proved you could write compellingly about funky and a modern 'nuum scene (and living in Australia!) but I haven't seen much of his writing outside of his blog and this forum/ILX. But then - WAS it that significant that funky wasn't covered enough in the press? Does the press (and by this I mean online publications as well as print) matter as much anymore?

RE: the 'future' issue - 1. This has often been produced by advances or experiments in music that have been produced by technology. Hence Juke being perhaps the most genuinely exciting music of the past decade - the intense, inhuman speed of the music. Then again, was this the case with garage? I guess garage was really more to do with the combination of deep house with american RNB - the syncopated beats of Timbaland. 2. Is 'futurism' a self-imposed millstone around the necks of electronic music and/or its commentators? In hip-hop, for example, I rarely see any discussion about futurism or experimentation, other than the perennial issue of style-biting. Despite this, hip-hop has arguably advanced further in the last ten years than any dance style, and is certainly currently in a position of pivotal importance in terms of producers in the electronic world looking to people like MikeWillMadeIt, Zaytoven, Noah 40 Shebib and others for inspiration.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Sorry to hijak this thread btw although that does seem to be the discussion around this stuff for hardened Dissensians.
 

trilliam

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well this discussion is probably going to ruin this entire thread so cheers fella. however you could say its run its course; the music is there for those who want to listen and there's enough info to follow to find more of it. quite frankly 39 pages is an achievement in itself as this was always going to be an uphill task.

funky failed because of a lack of quality control. this is the short answer. the long slightly more detailed/complex answer can be found by going back to the beginning.

"'we ghettoed out the whole fucking place man' beams Fabio. "The old-school crowd just let and Rage turned from this posey kind of night with loads of girls and loads of well dressed people, to being ghetto. It was so ghetto. It added to the whole vibe of the night though. Until it got the stage where you didn't know whether you were gonna get killed down there or not"

"unusually, the music press didnt notice jungle for ages. When rave filled up the hardcore scene with cartoon vocals and childrens TV themes, journalists were happy to slag it off as a populist dead-end. They saw much more mileage in the Orb's 'ambient techno', and 'progressive house' - a synthetic and self-conscious evoluton of the classic house style. So for once a new genre had space to develop in peace"

"but just as it was getting some attention the music was in danger of barelling itself into a corner marked 'ragga'. In summer 1994 two hits landed in the charts; M-Beat and General Levys "Incredible" and Shy FX & Apaches 'Original Nuttah' Both were heavily ragga influenced, indeed General Levy was a reggae MC who had nothing to do with the jungle scene. Jungle had always carried a certain reggae influence, now it was flooded with 'bad bwoy' ragga lyrics encouraging yardie gangsterism"

"helpfully the music was evolving fast enough to outrun any misassociations, and as more sophisticated textural production emerged, using jazz samples in place of ragga toasting, the musics breadth was reasserted. Bristols Roni Size and former classical pianist LTJ Bukem did much to popularise these mellower more ambient sounds"

"There was enough of a distinction for a new name, 'drum and bass', to stick, although this inevitably carried its own implications: jungle was still coloured by ragga, while drum and bass nights seemed to attract more than their shareof nerdy white students; certainly, plenty of offence was given when the prefix 'intelligent' was occasionally added"

ripped from UK Sounds chapter in Last Night a DJ Saved My Life.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Hah! I don't mean to ruin it was just responding to comments I'd read on previous pages. I don't think we need to have this discussion again, or can at least move it to another thread.
 

datwun

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Don't see why you can't mix a slightly more theoretical discussion about where the music fits into the history of UK sounds with a more practical one of uncovering new bits, rave info etc.

I would actually say blackdown's been a rare light spot in a period of really piss poor music writing standards. As just one example, Fact's coverage is so uneven and so unrepresentative it's hard to figure out who that shit actually speaks to.
Not that everything Reynolds says is right, but it is all interesting, and he really had the 90s and early 2000s on lock. Very quiet these days. The quietus did a good bit on funky really early on. Bassline was covered in a bunch of the mainstream media, but the articles weren't particularly amazing. Deep tech's had a couple of little bits here and there, like that one Continuum helped out with. I'd be interested in doing a similar piece to what I did with Jackin, but I don't know if I can really give a fair representation to the scene when I'm only gonna have time for a couple of year end parties...

On a different note, listened to a full Mark Radford mix all the way through for the first time last night, the 7th Dec one. Really good! Mixing and selection's sick, and his banter's quality. I also like that like he always idendifies track names and artist names, makes a real effort to actually spread the tune rather than just show off his exclusives. Suppose that's the nice thing about Audio Rehab and now Plus Recordings, like they're there to support London artists, and the release schedule's fast because there's loads of good music. No forced scarcity which is always good!
 
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banshee

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some of this stuff reminds me of the swamp sound loefah was pushing that was very big when i was at uni a couple of years back (but obv less overtly house)

a lot of those tunes were overhyped but certain ones like this unidentified thing were amazing and sound like where ive been imagining this deeptech sound could go in the future

 
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datwun

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Didn't see that anyone posted this one yet?


A month old but absolutely fully sick. I've got the feeling I've heard it around somewhere. Is it a scene anthem? It sounds like one!
 

jimitheexploder

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some of this stuff reminds me of the swamp sound loefah was pushing that was very big when i was at uni a couple of years back (but obv less overtly house)

a lot of those tunes were overhyped but certain ones like this unidentified thing were amazing and sound like where ive been imagining this deeptech sound could go in the future



I said that a while ago on here, don't think people saw it. They play this track all the time too: Chunky & Paleman - Came To Cut Shapes proper boring, its more of a reference to this stuff than being it though. For me the Swamp 81 stuff on that tip is even worse than the Shuffling stuff here.
 
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jimitheexploder

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On the funky failing issue, I don't think it was anyone but funky fault. It was just really kicking off and picking up then it just disapeared back into house and now its pretty much here and is just house. Everyone jumped ship Ill Blu started going more stright house instead of going bombastic like a lot of the others did. The best radio show by the end was Petchy when he got all the MCs going then he just dropped off and went stright house. Katy B made an album of dusbtep tracks instead of going full on mega pop funky like she could of. Lil Silva and Champion kept going but only really turned up with Night Slugs or Butterz as outliers rather than a central thing. I think it was all building and was going to get soem good coverage but just before it really settled long enough for it to get wider press it all went back into house again and wasn't seen as anything new or worth talking about. Plus it was hard sometimes to get promos to do reviews or get artsists locked down for interviews and mixes at times. I know I tryed a few times with Carnao when he was making funky, but now he's making tech house I aint fussed I've heard it before even if its a subtly diffrent take on tech house or whatever, just doesn't move me like funky did. I only really got Ossie to do a mix for us after a while and he's gone stright up house now too. T.Williams has gone stright up house so has Murdz 86. All people I was thinking would do some good stuff in funky. Everyone jumpped off and I'm not sure why tbh. Plus there is only like two UK funky albums: House Girls and ummm the Geeneus Rinse Volumes: One which never got a Two if I remember right. What are people goign to write about in the regular press if there isn't an album? They have no idea how to on the whole.
 
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continuum

smugpolice
Completely obsessed with this tune at the moment. Sounds like it samples Lilly Allen? Can't stop it going round in my head. Is the B-Side to the huge (and contender for tune of the year) Wet Dollars. Bought the mp3 and sounds even better when you can hear it in its entirety.
 

benw

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aye me too. is it too soon for revival raves? there are enuff anthems for sure
 
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Benny Bunter

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feeling the rap sampling ones





theres a biggie smalls one as well thats good, whats that called again?

plus looks like its gonna be a good label, maybe better than Audio Rehab itself?
 

Benny Bunter

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ha shit he just mentioned it, of course!

this one too


skt seems to be coming with a more bumpier garage vibe than most
 

Benny Bunter

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Didn't see that anyone posted this one yet?


A month old but absolutely fully sick. I've got the feeling I've heard it around somewhere. Is it a scene anthem? It sounds like one!


RS4 is oris jay aka darquan if you didn't already know. this is obv a nod to steve gurley

mark radford murders that remix though, even better than the original. comes out in jan '14
 

datwun

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RS4 is oris jay aka darquan if you didn't already know. this is obv a nod to steve gurley

mark radford murders that remix though, even better than the original. comes out in jan '14


Yeah, mad innit! It's great to see him back in the game, "Said the Spider" is one of my all time favorite dubstep tracks. It's funny , he was one of those artists who was massively influential, and you'd see crop up in real heads' lists of important producers - Narrows would be another one - but that time somewhat forget, whos tracks weren't really reached for when newer producers looked back to that time for influence. So it's nice to see him getting a bit of populist, rave smashing credit!
His Rs4 is fully sick doe, obviously got a very rich sound because he's been around producing for so long, but really nice and darkside with loads of noises and echos of darkcore and jungle. Big up basically!

Where's you get the info about the Jan 14 release? Any idea if it includes Locked on You? Would sell myself to get hold of it!


On a tangent, I hope DJ Narrows does jump on this...
 
that hugo remix of nightshift is rude, a tech-house night hunter/uh.. liking the Tazer tunes too, more of that pls
 
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