Nationalism, immigration and racism in the EU

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Mr. Tea said:
Nice attempt at Kraut-bashing, but Germany already hosts more refugees than any other EU country - well over two million, more than twice as many as the next on the list, Poland.

And while I'm sure life in Albania isn't a bed of roses for most people, it is not currently either in a state of civil war or being invaded by a neighbour, unlike Syria, Iraq or Ukraine, where most of Germany's asylum seekers come from, so it seems fairer to call them economic migrants rather than refugees.
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Economic migrants don't seek asylum. Why is the UK and some EU countries taking 50% of asylum applicants from Albania while Germany takes zero?
 
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But the hollowness of your position is revealed by how quickly you flip around to take any view you think scores a hit against teh libtardz. Germany, and therefore the EU, is xenophobic for not accepting unlimited numbers of Albanian immigrants, although naturally some of them will be doctors, nurses or other trained professionals, which (per you) Germany would be guilty of "poaching" if it were to accept.
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Yes, they would be guilty of poaching. The UK sets up job fairs abroad precisely to poach. I'm not accusing Germany of xenophobia, just hypocrisy: it's not that they don't accept unlimited numbers of Albanian asylum seekers, they accept only one number and that number is 0!
 
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But this is all standard Biscuitology. Israel isn't racist for deliberately killing thousands of Gazan civilians while describing them as subhumans worthy only of extermination, but Egypt is racist for not accepting two million refugees with open arms. And so on and so forth.
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I dispute your premises.
 
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Yes, it's bizarre that refugees from Ukraine are attempting to entire the EU via Hungary rather than, say, the Republic of Ireland, isn't it?

Nobody "brought" Hungary into the EU; they applied to join, because (at the time) they felt the advantages outweighed the responsibilities. Orban - a man after your own heart - clearly feels otherwise, or is at any rate trying to enjoy the former while shirking the latter.
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If a stranger knocks on your door then you may decide to bring them into the house. The EU accepted Hungary's application, bringing them in probably in large part because they could poach more easily its best brains while using it as a buffer to absorb immigrants from the East. I doubt that Hungary 'signed up' for the current terms offered.
 
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France’s four main leftwing parties have agreed to form a “New Popular Front” (NPF) to contest the snap election, as the far-right leader Marine Le Pen said she would seek a “national unity government” if her National Rally (RN) wins.

The Socialist party (PS), Greens, Communists and France Unbowed (LFI), led by the hard-left firebrand Jean-Luc Mélenchon, will campaign on a common platform and field a single joint candidate in each of the 577 parliamentary constituencies.
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One doesn't want either a left or right extremist government in power, but I think that only happens democratically when centrist voters pick that option to course correct from what they feel is a state of affairs that is too far the opposite. If the left coalition wins now, and doesn't make significant concessions to the right, it may merely cause an even greater build-up of pressure resulting in an even more extreme and more popular right-wing government at the next election.

The UK is bucking the trend by voting left(ish) because of the rightist concession that was Brexit. If Brexit hadn't happened we'd probably be looking at a Farage government right now.
 
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One doesn't want either a left or right extremist government in power, but I think that only happens democratically when centrist voters pick that option to course correct from what they feel is a state of affairs that is too far the opposite. If the left coalition wins now, and doesn't make significant concessions to the right, it may merely cause an even greater build-up of pressure resulting in an even more extreme and more popular right-wing government at the next election.

The UK is bucking the trend by voting left(ish) because of the rightist concession that was Brexit. If Brexit hadn't happened we'd probably be looking at a Farage government right now.
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Reform is a point ahead of the Conservatives in YouGov's latest poll of voting intention.
 
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France’s corporate bosses are racing to build contacts with Marine Le Pen’s far right after recoiling from the radical tax-and-spend agenda of the rival leftwing alliance in the country’s snap parliamentary elections.

Four senior executives and bankers told the Financial Times that the left — which polls suggest is the strongest bloc vying with Le Pen — would be even worse for business than the Rassemblement National’s unfunded tax cuts and anti-immigration policies.

Classic. They'll always side with the right when it comes down to it.
 
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France’s corporate bosses are racing to build contacts with Marine Le Pen’s far right after recoiling from the radical tax-and-spend agenda of the rival leftwing alliance in the country’s snap parliamentary elections.

Four senior executives and bankers told the Financial Times that the left — which polls suggest is the strongest bloc vying with Le Pen — would be even worse for business than the Rassemblement National’s unfunded tax cuts and anti-immigration policies.

Classic. They'll always side with the right when it comes down to it.
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But would they had the left offered a similar business package? Restrictions on immigration might not be especially helpful to large businesses.
 
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does anyone know if there will be only two parties in the second, final round? just like in the presidential election? so in this case, far right alliance and new popular front?
 
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yyaldrin said:
does anyone know if there will be only two parties in the second, final round? just like in the presidential election? so in this case, far right alliance and new popular front?
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No, Melenchon's just said he's willing to pull his candidates where there's a three-way race in the second round in order to combat the far-right.
 
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No, Melenchon's just said where there's a three-way race in the second round and the left is in third, he's willing to pull his candidates to combat the far-right.
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melenchon is new popular front right? macron is third, so will he pull out now?
 
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