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IdleRich
IdleRich
This is a minor case I'd say, one day it will probably be a trivia question "What was the charge in the first indictment of a former president in US history?" or "What was the first charge for which Trump - the first former president to receive the death penalty - was indicted?"
Or maybe they will take this approach
Or maybe they will take this approach
Clinamenic
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Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
I have to correct you there, Rich. Trump has not been indicted. He has, in fact, been indicated.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Plus, you know, the 25-odd women who say he's raped or sexually assaulted them...
Leo
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Absolutely, as long as the Georgia district attorney's office feels they have just cause. Same deal with the January 6 case.
IdleRich
IdleRich
One thing that sticks out to me is when they talk about Cohen - Trump's former lawyer and 'fixer'.
I wish I had a fixer. It normally seems to be dodgy rich guys who have them, for example Richard Desmond the porn baron who owned The Express at one point, and Channel 5 I think too, had a guy described as a fixer. His job - in as far as it was reported - seemed to involve getting rid of witnesses who might testify against Desmond using a combination of carrot (in the form of brown envelopes stuffed with large sums of money) and stick (threats) to persuade them to leave the country.
The 'as far as reported' but seems relevant though, cos of course they only make the news when their boss is in the news for something bad. However I do suspect most of what they do does involve sailing quite close to the wind legally. Rock up in a new city and want some drugs but you don't have a connection, no problem, get your fixer on it. Annoying journalist sniffing around your affairs looking to write a hit piece, say to your fixer "Make this go away, don't tell me any details" and so on. I can imagine you become quite reliant on such a person, if they are at your beck and call 24 hours a day (as I suppose the best ones are) and can smooth out any problem big or small with minimum fuss then they could quickly become your most trusted and vital employees.
I wonder how people fall into such a role, and how does one obtain a good fixer if you don't have one? Maybe there are coded job adverts you can place in certain places which will be understood as requesting this type of person, or are they more likely to be someone who came up with the big guy, a shadowy part of his inner circle who knows where the bodies are buried and is trusted implicitly, bound to him by shared crimes.
I'm really just thinking out loud now, but I suppose ultimately it's another one of these things that I find fascinating in that it's totally alien to me, completely removed from my world, and yet for a certain type of person or in some spheres it's a totally expected and understood part of the way business is done
I wish I had a fixer. It normally seems to be dodgy rich guys who have them, for example Richard Desmond the porn baron who owned The Express at one point, and Channel 5 I think too, had a guy described as a fixer. His job - in as far as it was reported - seemed to involve getting rid of witnesses who might testify against Desmond using a combination of carrot (in the form of brown envelopes stuffed with large sums of money) and stick (threats) to persuade them to leave the country.
The 'as far as reported' but seems relevant though, cos of course they only make the news when their boss is in the news for something bad. However I do suspect most of what they do does involve sailing quite close to the wind legally. Rock up in a new city and want some drugs but you don't have a connection, no problem, get your fixer on it. Annoying journalist sniffing around your affairs looking to write a hit piece, say to your fixer "Make this go away, don't tell me any details" and so on. I can imagine you become quite reliant on such a person, if they are at your beck and call 24 hours a day (as I suppose the best ones are) and can smooth out any problem big or small with minimum fuss then they could quickly become your most trusted and vital employees.
I wonder how people fall into such a role, and how does one obtain a good fixer if you don't have one? Maybe there are coded job adverts you can place in certain places which will be understood as requesting this type of person, or are they more likely to be someone who came up with the big guy, a shadowy part of his inner circle who knows where the bodies are buried and is trusted implicitly, bound to him by shared crimes.
I'm really just thinking out loud now, but I suppose ultimately it's another one of these things that I find fascinating in that it's totally alien to me, completely removed from my world, and yet for a certain type of person or in some spheres it's a totally expected and understood part of the way business is done
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
He’s a right slag
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
IdleRich
IdleRich
One thing I keep seeing being said by all kinds of Trump supporters - from random MAGAs on Twitter to a Texas senator they just interviewed on CNN - is that this will increase Trump's popularity with voters. The claim varies in its intensity - some predicting that it will garner him a few extra votes and others insisting that he is now guaranteed to win the presidency in 2024 - but despite that it feels like another one of those quasi-official party-line agreed talking points that we often find ourselves discussing.
And as with those ones we discussed previously, even if it is a kind of deliberately created talking point, I'm certain that many of those repeating it believe it totally. But I don't think it stacks up - firstly there are many Trumpoids saying it, but I haven't heard of a single person saying "I always hated Trump but this is so manifestly unfair I'm gonna vote for him every opportunity I get for the rest of my life". And really I think it badly misjudges the mood, as far as I can tell a much larger proportion of the country is sick of seeing Trump not prosecuted despite doing numerous things in plain sight which would see an ordinary person whisked off to prison so fast their feet wouldn't touch the ground. Despite the Republican attempt to force the narrative most see him as getting unfairly lenient treatment and they are glad to finally be seeing some sign that he's not above the law - even if this particular indictment does turn out to be unfair.
And "turn out" is an important part of this, I also think they've shot their bolt too early in crying foul without really knowing what he's charged with - they're gonna look pretty stupid if it turns out to be something that is very serious and for which there is very strong evidence.
Regarding that, my bet is that the evidence will be incontrovertible, I reckon it moved so slowly cos they were making certain there was no wriggle room. And I don't think they would have dared move if they weren't sure if victory. I'm not so confident it will be a major crime though. I'm guessing that the charges will all relate to a number of slightly esoteric financial crimes that will be hard enough for the man in the street to grasp that his team can say "oh it's no big deal, everyone does it" while having no way whatsoever of refuting his actual guilt.
And as with those ones we discussed previously, even if it is a kind of deliberately created talking point, I'm certain that many of those repeating it believe it totally. But I don't think it stacks up - firstly there are many Trumpoids saying it, but I haven't heard of a single person saying "I always hated Trump but this is so manifestly unfair I'm gonna vote for him every opportunity I get for the rest of my life". And really I think it badly misjudges the mood, as far as I can tell a much larger proportion of the country is sick of seeing Trump not prosecuted despite doing numerous things in plain sight which would see an ordinary person whisked off to prison so fast their feet wouldn't touch the ground. Despite the Republican attempt to force the narrative most see him as getting unfairly lenient treatment and they are glad to finally be seeing some sign that he's not above the law - even if this particular indictment does turn out to be unfair.
And "turn out" is an important part of this, I also think they've shot their bolt too early in crying foul without really knowing what he's charged with - they're gonna look pretty stupid if it turns out to be something that is very serious and for which there is very strong evidence.
Regarding that, my bet is that the evidence will be incontrovertible, I reckon it moved so slowly cos they were making certain there was no wriggle room. And I don't think they would have dared move if they weren't sure if victory. I'm not so confident it will be a major crime though. I'm guessing that the charges will all relate to a number of slightly esoteric financial crimes that will be hard enough for the man in the street to grasp that his team can say "oh it's no big deal, everyone does it" while having no way whatsoever of refuting his actual guilt.