shakahislop
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how is one supposed to react to this realization that you're living in the future
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There's some of that in the Prynne poems and articles we've been discussing:
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As the title of the most recent volume – Down Where Changed (1979) – shows, Prynne is always trying to locate the point of change, though, once located, it is a point no more momentous than any other:
it’s the last time or
thing or some edge. Like cliffs, the departure
is overwhelming as a casual thread,
leading into this, that, the
gray darkness.
Elizabeth Cook · Prynne’s Principia
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‘Beyond demise’: as one might expect from a poet who turns eighty this year, whose ambitions for his art have been unusually high, the question of a desire for literary immortality was never going to be ignored in the poems themselves. Prynne views that desire, I imagine, as both vain and unavoidable; in the riposte to Handke, he writes dispassionately that ‘language in its more elevated functions trades forward upon a future, upon readers yet to come, “just as” the other social modalities of money and war also trade forward in order to buy out the future by competitive power-investment against the status quo.’ The latest version of Poems bears the dedication ‘For the Future’.
Robert Potts · Smirk Host Panegyric: J.H. Prynne
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Change and movement carry a certain electricity. In this particular instance it feels as though what's coming's worse than what came before, but they say the only way out is through, so we'll see what happens.
I'm not convinced anything's ever truly dead and buried. I think things can lie dormant, waiting for someone or thing to reanimate them. Ideas, ideologies, movements, they can evolve and mutate and crawl from the tomb.
There's stuff in the Adorno I'm reading that's more or less identical to arguments being made today. Social atomisation, the effects of media, and so on. Really blows a hole in the idea we're dealing with something unique when you've got someone addressing the same issues in the 1940s.
I read something last night that talked of Trump obliterating the recent history of the Obama era whilst resurrecting the politics of the 19th century. Apparently he's got a thing about McKinley atm and cited him in his inaugural address as well putting his name back on Denali.
hmg
Victory lap
I fucking love it
Mr. Tea
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Surely God-Emperor Trump will have cleansed the Deep State in its entirety by then, ushering in a new era of transparency and honesty?
It's what's traditionally called being middle aged
Whilst I'm less adverse to your general train of thought than Mr Tea here I think a lot of what you attempt to describe here is largely the delusional wanderings of lonely UK racists on the internet and not really the reality of the country. Though it's half a wind up I do like to try and discuss it when it arises as you're not alone
Recently we had a contractor working for us who seemed to believe the UK was on the brink of a race war following the Southport stabbings and that we would all somehow "rise up" against the government and anoint Farage or some other deity figure. There were several of us in the room and it was largely met with bewilderment and awkward silence that was eventually consumed by the noise of the kettle
The question I would ask and generally do is who exactly do you believe is going to do the uprising and to what end. The Southport race "riot" was met with general indifference and the participants got their heads kicked in by the relatively sedate Lancashire police force. A pitiful outcome for the "best" of the Northern racists mobilised from Greater Manchester and surrounding counties in pitiful discord circles
You often see Elon Musk's X attempting to mobilise resentment in the "For You" tab but it won't really work over here because a) the English largely view South Africans as colonial lessers and B) most British people think electric vehicles are for cunts
In addition the biggest modern British trait is actually apathy and no matter how many piss poor dog whistles are blown the majority of the country really don't give a fuck about anything. If they did then you wouldn't see a wet sponge like Starmer in power
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Trump isn't aiming for the future. He's trying to reinstate what he thinks are the best bits of the past. He's a retromanic, as Deleuze failed to say, and believes that new isn't necessarily better. But will he be able to undo liberalism in time to avoid the West's extinction as foreseen by anthropological J.D. Unwin?
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Tune in next week to find out!
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@mixed_biscuits, obviously.
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It's difficult to pin down Trump's relationship with the future. He's the sitting president, he's seemingly ended an era, he's got all the momentum and the captains of industry are lining up behind him, but, as Biscuits says, he's a man attempting to reinvigorate the past. He's invoking McKinley and Reagan. He's rolling things back. This perhaps adds a symbolic or mythic bent to his fight against China. He's fighting the future.
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ive done the odd good one but youve really elevated it to an art form. linbaugh had an inspired period too when he got really fascinated by semen and did a run of tags that were primarily semen based, really intimate depictions of mr tea swallowing semen and kind of draped in semen and semen in his beard and so on. i found that utterly brilliant.
the other thing i like about it is that it forms a kind of forcefield around the forum and makes it completely beyond the pale for any civilized person. its a protective barrier and quite important.