germaphobian
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that's for sure.
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that's for sure.
germaphobian
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other_life
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absolutely nothing!
other_life
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i should specify kinski i don't remember having a problem with your posts but the "The anti-woke left is up next! People are tiring of interpersonal shrillness" shit is necrotic. vis a vis happenings in los angeles, myanmar, palestine, sudan &c it's insulting. what does it have to do with reality if trans people are rude in person-to-person interactions. eden is burning. also i take being an anglophile and a poof in stride
I thought it had to do with people on the left, in general, finding any reason to be shrill to any presumed enemies of marginalized people.
i dunno if you read any of my stories from when I first joined the board, especially the story for being attacked for being "police" (when i was actually trying to be helpful (!) to help people see at night in the forest at a "renegade" party), and when they did a 180 switch in tone from then when they learned i was mentally disabled.
Because the last thing on the bottom of the totem pole that anything seemed to think about after race, gender and lgbtq+ was disability - and especially "hidden" disabilities.
Not that a hidden mental disability could be far more debilitating than people can imagine...
Now you could ask what does that have to do anything - well, considering that the older I've become, I've been going exponentially longer stretches without being social and going out in the world, it would be nice to have not felt so guarded the last few times I went out, ready for people to attack me for what they probably perceive based on physical appearance alone.
In general I feel like the climatic boys flights of fancy shouldn't be taken literally. a completely unscrupulous slut for valueless digital token money, reformist chatterbox, tireless dispenser of high calibre wisdom.
Otherwise, he's good. But one has to ruthlessly criticise all that exists, and that includes the esteemed @Clinamenic
Otherwise, he's good. But one has to ruthlessly criticise all that exists, and that includes the esteemed @Clinamenic
I have no love for the identitarian left (let alone the left of capital in general) but I am not part of any bohemian milieu either. Of course, I suffer from what @0bleak has explained above. In that sense, not much has changed for me at all. Only the isolation and alienation has increased, so I suppose, things are worse. It is what it is.
The problem is the anti-identitarians are obsessed with constantly arguing with the sex/race/gender cult politics types and thus they remain utterly faithful to its mode of thinking. They convert class into an identity, rather than anticipating the antagonistic social relationship which must (by dictatorial force) inaugurate the unified science of tomorrow. Too many moralistic appeals. That is why biscuits remains enslaved to the wokes, as an example.
The problem is the anti-identitarians are obsessed with constantly arguing with the sex/race/gender cult politics types and thus they remain utterly faithful to its mode of thinking. They convert class into an identity, rather than anticipating the antagonistic social relationship which must (by dictatorial force) inaugurate the unified science of tomorrow. Too many moralistic appeals. That is why biscuits remains enslaved to the wokes, as an example.
other_life
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i got embarrassed also when 0bleak brought up situation-dependent interpellation as disabled or no because i think fwiw disability is an uneasy remainder or afterthought (at best) for the kind of sexual politics people bracket as 'woke' (though it is older) + its entire Scene. i belong to a bohemian milieu, but that is an accident of birth and my personal misfortune
shakahislop
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yeah dead on, you get sucked into the identitarian thing even when you oppose it
shakahislop
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there is something interesting about this american view of the world seeping into england, without people even recognising its origins. americans are so much more interested in identity. for obvious historical reasons. it is objectively strange for something like that to become part of uk culture. the way ideas transferred across from the weird world of liberal arts colleges out in the middle of nowhere full of rich kids; and from black america; and so on; out into little england.
deracinated concepts taken on quite uncritically in lots of ways - the product of another soil. this old thing about people in england thinking that america is like europe - one of us - we think it's pretty similar. but the reality is more like what it looks like on a map, a distant continent, a distant people. i remember reading Naomi Klien when i was 14 and seeing pictures of seattle etc. you make these mistakes of thinking the ideas of one place apply to another
deracinated concepts taken on quite uncritically in lots of ways - the product of another soil. this old thing about people in england thinking that america is like europe - one of us - we think it's pretty similar. but the reality is more like what it looks like on a map, a distant continent, a distant people. i remember reading Naomi Klien when i was 14 and seeing pictures of seattle etc. you make these mistakes of thinking the ideas of one place apply to another
shakahislop
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you also get this thing of how the uk sees america being based on what america says about itself. we see all the critiques, despair about racism, the wire, we hear what the activists say, we see what michael moore has to say and so on. america is so adept at criticising itself. it helps motivate that european disdain
Mr. Tea
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Aww shit, third's now gonna have no choice but to liquidate you after he seizes power.
Aww shit, third's now gonna have no choice but to liquidate you after he seizes power.
I wouldn't worry about that. We will be fullproof when we take power that I will be able to liquidate even myself whilst the party remains supreme. Orwell was totally foolish English idiot.
version
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Beyond their cultural exports, the entire country effectively operates as the rest of the world's entertainment. We're all sat around gawping at their politics and social issues the way we do their film and TV.
GhostofKinski
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No worries Other, I am sorry we had to meet on the board under unpleasant circumstances.
Here in Ameristan the whole woke movement has been used as a bludgeon to stifle any traction the Working Class starts to even get a toe hold in the realm of concrete progress for all the Working Class/W.Poor/Precariat. I don't know if people who live in a society that has service networks like the NHS are fully aware of the situation here where virtually everything, including Healthcare is a for profit commodity, and it's getting worse daily. The capitalist superstructure is even (successfully) in the process of kicking millions of people off of medicare/medicaid, which the elderly, disabled, people most vulnerable depend upon.
When we finally get a politician to put a bill like Medicare for all on the floor for a vote, it gets immediately kicked to the curb when the Bills sponcer is put on blast for supporting "woke causes" like biological males who are female via gender competing in women's sports (just as a for instance) & the pro universal healthcare candidate/house member only gets questioned non stop about these ancillary issues.
The U.S. is probably the most mal-informed/propagandized country on the planet, rivaled only by North Korea. The difference is: NK's know they are being lied to. Americans, because we have iphones, computers & 24/7 corporate news outlets to reinforce whichever camp you follow, running the gamut from right wing to liberal right. The average American thinks they are well informed! Anyway, once again, the clarification is appreciated & I hope moving forward we all can interact in a fashion that fosters mindfulness on issues/ideas perhaps lurking in our blind spots.
Edit: just for clarity. I am a retired civil servant and am fully covered. This is about the future of the republic for me.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
He called me ‘esteemed’ !!
nhs is being privatised here as well, it's actually nowhere near as rosy as British advocates would like to claim. endless waiting lists and takes an arm and a leg to get in person appointments.
That being said, I think you impute far too much weight to wokeism here. the UK didn't have anything like the same woke culture during the Corbyn era and democracy still managed to manufacture a labour antisemitism scandal (not saying there isn't antisemitism in the LP but the rise of islamophobia was opportunistically kicked down the curb). Democracy is not a ready made structure that the proles can just grab and bend to its will - it is, first and foremost, a form of the organisation of the dictatorship of capital.
One can only talk about a freedom of press and opinion in capitalist democracies in narrowly circumscribed bounds. The fact that opinions that don't conform to the right-centrist-leftist superstructure are confined to being crazy nitch ideas no matter how scientifically correct they are is not freedom, but expert and subtle containment. Ed Miliband's dad, funnily enough, is good on this. What may superficially appear as diversity (say between the Grauniad and the Telegraph) ends up being the regurgitation of the same in different garb - funny for conservatives to get het up about drag queens telling stories to their honey-tongued children when that is precisely how they consume news, and call it freedom of choice!
Liberalism always invalidates its own credo of all ideology and no organisation. In reality no ruling class could dominate for long like this, if it didn't also utilise aspects of the labour movement to discipline other aspects. Trade Unions, for instance, in the regular functioning of capitalism, are not organisations of attack but of brokerage.
