UK EU Referendum Thoughts

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sufi

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john eden said:
I can see what he's saying but it's now or never really.
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& it's not like the politicians on the remain side are exactly savoury either.

It's vaguely entertaining to see Corbyn and Cameron stuck on the in side when they probably both are outies.

(btw sorry i mistyped above - i meant to say "your line")
 
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sufi said:
& it's not like the politicians on the remain side are exactly savoury either.
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This is why I think it's misguided for so many Remainers to concentrate their propaganda on endless iterations of "You mustn't vote Out because then you'll be like Farage, Johnson and Galloway, err, yuk, smelly", when by the same argument, voting In puts you in the same camp as Cameron, Osborne and the mainstream of the Tory party, which in itself is not really a ringing endorsement from the POV of any non-Tory.
 
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john eden

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sufi said:
& it's not like the politicians on the remain side are exactly savoury either.

It's vaguely entertaining to see Corbyn and Cameron stuck on the in side when they probably both are outies.

(btw sorry i mistyped above - i meant to say "your line")
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Well Corbyn certainly has made anti-EU statements in the past, not so sure about Cameron - he has certainly positioned himself as part of the modern, candy crush on yer ipad, hug a hoodie, gay marriage supporting wing of the party.
 
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It will be mad to go out, and Project Fear is not irrational. And why should it be?

I think this vote will be close but far less close than the general election or the Scottish referendum.

As people are realising, there's not good option based on the Nordic or Switzerland model that will satisfy the outs: single market, immigration, isolationism.

Sovereignty is an abstract argument; economics is finished; legal arguments heavily contested, but the more progressive legislation has come from Europe.

Personally, I am more more for Euro-federalism the more dangerous and insane the world becomes. It also weakens and challenges the Monarchical principle and nationalist ideals.

Fiscal union has been the main wrecker.
 
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The most trenchant and persuasive anti-EU book I've read is Brooker and North's 'The Great Deception'. Read it. But I still think, for many reasons, it's obvious we should be in.
 
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Mr. Tea

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I can't wait for the whole thing to be over just so I don't have to keep hearing and reading this imbecilic non-word "Brexit". I almost don't care which way the vote goes as long as everyone stops saying and writing "Brexit, Brexit, Brexit" all fucking day long.
 
vimothy

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To (briefly) expand on that, it's not that Allistair Heath and those like him know more about economics than the economics profession, but that the economics profession (in general) falsely conceives of itself as a collection of objective, ideology-free scientists, whereas partisan hacks like Heath, whatever their other flaws, are under no such illusions.
 
trza

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I know I don't have a say or anything but I never eat breakfast and only eat breakfast food if its at a restaurant that serves the stuff all day.
 
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