FINNEGANS WAKE.

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What a loser I was back in 2019

No, you were a winner

 

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im reading marcuses attack on norman o brown (love mystified a critique) which happens to be a pretty decent rundown of some of the ideas in finnegans wake (a book brown loved) partiuarly as regards fathers sons and the foundation of the state

Someone sent me this the other day and told me to read it with The Wake in mind:

Massignon calls Sura 18 the apocalypse of Islam. But sura 18 is a résumé, epitome of the whole Koran. The Koran is not like the Bible, historical, running from Genesis to Apocalypse. The Koran is altogether apocalyptic. The Koran backs off from that linear organization of time, revelation, and history which became the backbone of orthodox Christianity and remains the backbone of the Western culture after the death of God. Islam is wholly apocalyptic or eschatological, and its eschatology is not teleology. The moment of decision, the Hour of Judgement, is not reached at the end of a line nor by a predestined cycle of cosmic recurrence; eschatology can break out at any moment. Koran 16:77; "To Allah belong the secrets of the heavens and the earth, and the matter of the Hour is as the twinkling of an eye, or it is nearer still." In fully developed Islamic theology only the moment is real. There is no necessary connection between cause and effect. The world is made up of atomic space-time points, among which the only continuity is the utterly inscrutable will of God, who creates every atomic point anew at every moment. And the Islamic mosque discards the orientation toward time essential to a Christian church: "The space," says Titus Burckhardt, "is as if reabsorbed into the ubiquity of the present moment; it does not beckon the eye in a specific direction; it suggests no tension or antinomy between the here below and the beyond, or between earth and heaven; it possesses all its fullness in every place."

-- The Apocalypse of Islam, Norman O. Brown

 

[sus]

Two very decent books on Lucia, Joyce's daughter:

Brian and Mary Talbot's graphic novel The Dotter of his Eyes
Alex Pheby's Lucia

I'm reading Shloss's Lucia Joyce: To Dance in the Wake now. Can't say how it compares to Pheby's. But it's incredibly compelling. Joanna Newsom's Divers takes a lot of inspiration from Lucia's life, and includes dotter-of-eyes puns

 

[sus]

wake up lads its time to talk about sin​

 

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Wednesday at 10:47 PM
Other interpretations-

Khek is spoken by the Hakka ppl- southern Chinese wandering ppl whose name literally means 'guest'

The sound of finnegan falling down the latter

Sex sounds

KKK - racial violence thing he introduces in previous paragraph

 

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Wednesday at 10:51 PM
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The Book of Streams: 002
Flushing to the Sea, past the concrete corps & well-intentioned pavers & home’n’garden center, into Delta’s bayside terminals—bending round the Iron Triangle with its junkyards, overlooked by Jupiter Legend’s Corp of Universal Vision, and the clocktower at 3630 College Point Blvd today zoned by...
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Description of an area in Queens, New York. I felt really stupid when I realized that there's a Kings county and a Queens county and obviously the two are related and then there's the Kings highway. The whole thing is just a big Royal inheritance
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On the first page there's this really done joke where he talks about 'Lauren's' canyon gorgious' - Lauren's canyon is also an area in 'Georgia' of which the capital city is happened to be named Dublin lol

 

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Wednesday at 10:54 PM
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How is book of the dark? I don't know anything about it
Only read the intro but it's really good. John Benjamin also writes the introduction to one of the wakes major publishings. Where the skeleton key focuses on actually explaining things the book of the dark focuses directly on the obscurity of the book as 'what it's about.' It's about night time. The whole night- and most of the night dreamless sleep, or at least dreams that can't be recalled

 

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Wednesday at 8:15 PM
What clashes here of wills gen wonts, oystrygods gaggin fishygods! Brekkek Kekkek Kekkek Kekkek! Koax Koax Koax! Ualu Ualu Ualu! Quaouauh! Where the Baddelaries partisans are still out to mathmaster Malachus Micgranes and the Verdons catapelting the camibalistics ou't of the Whoyteboyce of Hoodie Head. Assiegates and boomeringstroms. Sod’s brood, be me fear! Sanglorians, save! Arms apeal with larms, appalling. Killy 'killkilly: a toll, a toll. What chance cuddleys, what cashels aired and ventilated! What bidimetoloves sinduced by what tegotetabsolvers! What true feeling for their's hayair with what strawng voice of false jiccup! O here here how both sprowled met the duskt the father of fomicarionists but, (O my shining stars and body!) how hath fanespanned most high heaven the skysign of soft advertisement! But waz iz? Iseut? Ere were sewers? The oaks of aid now they lie in peat yet elms leap where askes lay. Phall if you but will, rise you must: and none so soon either shall the pharce for the nunce come to a setdown secular phoenish.

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Wednesday at 8:17 PM
Pretty much everything in this book is some level of entendre for the cyclical nature of history, racial/cultural violence, sex=death, a reference to Ireland, and a dick joke.

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The wasteland feels like a natural companion, the final portion where god speaks through thunder - thunder being the first words ever spoken - in Sanskrit - Sanskrit being the first written language- in particular.

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Da! Da! Da!

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I'm reading it like prynne. Words creating zones of semantic intensity laid out in space right there on the page. No reference to anything but words themselves so you are looking at the literal atoms of the thing's matter.

Space>time. You keep track of the themes and file away neatly the instances they are invoked to make sense of it, re reading passages with a certain theme in mind to see how the meaning shifts around the hot spots

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It'd probably be awful to read by yourself in sustained meditation but very fun in short bursts with other people. Which is fittingly how the book itself was written and released.

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For instance (and I got this from Nico) but with the Wake when you read it there is a blurring of the eyes and ears that is needed, you can only make out the layered textstack if your vision goes triple or double. And I was with Andrew Blevins in Prospect Heights watching Alex Tatarsky perform American Psychobabble and she was saying "I landed here! This land is my land! It's my I-land, land of all my eyes, my island" (speaking colonial English now) and it reminded me of the Wake a little Anyways so I got to babbling and—where was I? Well in the kitchen as the sink dripped and I was saying to Nico how tampon and tamp are related but both come from tap, which is both a flowing spring and also the plug which stops it.

The point of all this, which is taking me long enough, is that if writing is using words to pass information forward in time like a zipper—In other words, if text is a mobile, in the Latour sense of persisting models, which is also the Ong sense in which science requires text—well then this passing-forward can be done through print, which is a discrete or "digital" medium (it consists of button-pressing, basically; you need to tap a series of buttons in sequence like playing Dance Dance Revolution) or it can done orally, which is a smooth continuous or "analogue" medium, as rich in microtonality as a trombone or sitar. (I have a whole schpiel about gridlock and AutoTune and James C. Scott, but you'll have to Reply All & request it.) But ideally the two (print, orality) work in lockstep, hence IPA—which is a finergrained digital mapping of a continuous, expressive oral space—and the Wake is an attempt to return to orality but facilitated (persisted) by text and if this isn't making any sense the most useful thing to do is listen to Joyce read it, while reading the relevant text side-by-side, and letting your eyes & ears blur as the streams pass through you.

(Handwriting: that's also continuous, you can make your cursive f look like feathers, if you'd like; you can scrawl a cursive letter that is halfway between capital F and capital T and honestly say that the word spells "Tree" and "Free" simultaneous, because you are life, growing between the grid, and if you don't want to snap to it? Well then you don't have to. Handwriting'll have to wait for some future letter, because the hour's late and the wordcount's high and I'm sorry I couldn't make this any shorter; I didn't have the time. What I'm trying to say is very simple and it's this: that I'm still learning to read, and because, perhaps, like Lucy and Sam you yourself are confused—understandably, I guess—I'll give a last example, because it's not just the Wake and anyways I'm sick to death of talking Wakeish; for instance, no one knows how Prynne's poems work but Benny & Luke, on a small webforum, are working it out.)

 

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@line b promised in a private message that after each reading group. he would post the week's highlights on dissensus.

he said that it's no problem he doesn't have a computer, because he's going to just speak into his phone. voice-to-text typing really easy really quick it won't be a hassle at all itll just take him 5 minutes so he's happy to do it

 

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this thread isn't sufficiently wakeish and it isn't long enough. is what i think

 

[sus]

has this been posted yet?

 

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INSECT is an anagram of INCEST

 

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One morning Gregor Samsa awoke to find himself with a hardon thinking about his stepsister.

 

[line b]

You can move it over if you'd like I'm still waiting on Gus to send me a computer so all that transferring would be hard on mobile

Nah, fuck off. I'm not your employee.
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line b​

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Yesterday at 12:55 PM

Nah, fuck off. I'm not your employee.

Give it a shot just to see how employment feels

 

[luka]

I opened my copy earlier and an insect crawled out.

 

[luka]

he makes a lot of the insect/incest play on words.

 

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@line b, how does it make you feel? Is it rewiring you? What's happening to your brain?

 

[version]

I opened my copy earlier and an insect crawled out.

True story. It was a little silverfish sort of thing.

 

[Benny Bunter]

True story. It was a little silverfish sort of thing.

Look what I just found in my book. Must have been there for years.