It's the same thing though. As in both were tuneless neurotic bedroom nerd with acme testosterone messes at that time. dnb, however, improved (though never to jungle levels of course) whereas psytrance was always contented to remain in that rut.
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It's the same thing though. As in both were tuneless neurotic bedroom nerd with acme testosterone messes at that time. dnb, however, improved (though never to jungle levels of course) whereas psytrance was always contented to remain in that rut.
yeah and this is why @luka invented post-dubstep. This is ultimately the culture war between the north london curator mentality and the essex geezers. the essex geezers are by and large undisciplined, which is very rewarding in the short term but ultimately means they will just regress to tech house because they have failed to cultivate the muscular fortitude to tenaciously dig in the crates and offend all their friends.
Barty is an interesting case study here, he is south london squatter who should be into breakcore and acid trance, but has let his oedipus complex abscond, and thus always wants to be from Essex.
remember when barty had a world shattering ego dissolving meltdown to italian trance records one night after he couldn't get laid lmao.
dj panda?
sounded really lackadaisical to me but it literally sent him over the edge, even Migos didn't do that to him. That night you were totally smashed @Corpsey and had inducted yourself into the north london curator aristocracy, writing in perfectly punctuated, lucid sentences with no run ons.
actually really don't regret this now with all the retro jungle pastiche, feel like this halftime sound was unexplored to a degree. more dancehall and drill influences, maybe. Or what homemade weapons were doing with those double timed break fills, where it literally felt like your body was dancing at 85-170 concurrently.
But I mean it doesn't matter anymore, I'm not a kid there's no battles to fight, I can mix Autechre with Phineus II into something from ASC/Instra:mental into something from Kemet Crew, who gives a shit? club culture was always diluted and watered down insofar as the product always has to match the expectation of the consumer, it's just that you need to age to fully come to terms with that. After all, an unpredictable dj is rightfully seen as inept and gauche when interfacing with the empathetic qualities of the MDMA-fuelled punters — jjust imagine listening to King Crimson's 21st century Schizoid Man when on the case, and most of your mates will tell you it's too hectic and jagged! There's a reason why E is de rigeur club drug, and it is basically because it is the neoliberal psychedelic avant la lettre, though I seem to remember reading a thread where some old timers flipped out when someone made this comparison. But in the context of going to Fabric etc, it really is the Tony Blair of psychedelics, no getting around that. In more intimate settings, or with a change in stimuli things might be different, but I digress...
The only battle I have to fight is against punks rewriting history, but everyone should do that.
thing is house is so diffuse that a theo parrish fan can be ignorant of the type of music being repped by Mark Radford fans who can be ignorant of John Digweed accolytes who can be ignorant of those who are into Culoe De Song who might be unaware of angolan-portuguese kuduro, etc. Dissensus tends to amalgamate house as this one thing when that is really something that belongs more to 1992.
This doesn't necessarily indicate a value judgment as to the voitality of house, just that it's so global that the difficulty emerges when you even refer to something which is still grounded in a particular cultural context (I.E: drum and bass, grime, dubstep etc.) Yeah all of these forms are international but house is so international that the original Chicago and NYC sound of the 80s is essentially prehistory now and only really relevant to archivists and curators.
This doesn't necessarily indicate a value judgment as to the voitality of house, just that it's so global that the difficulty emerges when you even refer to something which is still grounded in a particular cultural context (I.E: drum and bass, grime, dubstep etc.) Yeah all of these forms are international but house is so international that the original Chicago and NYC sound of the 80s is essentially prehistory now and only really relevant to archivists and curators.
there's also that whole industry of euro, middle eastern, latin pop with house beats. not necessarily a tendancy worth exploring, but essentially a development of 90s eurohouse.
I think drum and bass is getting there though, on a smaller scale. a neo-junglist can be content in their box as can someone into halftime, a liquid devotee can ignore jump up. But nowhere near on the same scale as house. not even remotely close.
I think drum and bass is getting there though, on a smaller scale. a neo-junglist can be content in their box as can someone into halftime, a liquid devotee can ignore jump up. But nowhere near on the same scale as house. not even remotely close.
DLaurent
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I used to think Krautrock bands were better than anything else. Maybe I was mainly taken in by Liebezeit's drumming, but basically the best of that stuff was the early electronic and motorik stuff before that went too new age, which I knew at the time, but also liked Cosmic Jokers, Walter Wegmuller, Ash Ra Temple, Amon Duul, even Faust if I admit it. I think it was because it came out of the same umbrella scene as Harmonia, Cluster, Kraftwerk and TD that it was easy to overestimate it and not having heard enough other rock music.
shakahislop
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psytrance where i was was just loads of people who loved psychedelics and drugs in general
you're making it sound like gong and hawkwind, and overselling it, like boomkat. please stop. under no circumstances is psytrance ever just about that.
shakahislop
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dunno. i wasn't really in it. but i was at glade in 2004 or whenever it was when they started it. maybe all those people were misguided. but that was where i saw the psychedelic thing expressed the most, around psytrance. as in. people wanted to take a lot of psychedelics in search of some kind of enlightenment. those kinds of people.
shakahislop
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d&b at that time among the people i knew was about sex and aggro and having fun taking pills, and looking hard, really different people were attracted to it
shakahislop
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when i was like 17 there basically was no such thing as another kind of dance music d&b was the only thing anyone was into. well or big beat for a different fraction.
shakahislop
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throughout my 20s among my friends there was always one group or another who liked taking drugs and liked d&b it was a persistent thing from like when i was 16 onwards
but you seemed to have enjoyed it? did you collect astral projection and and infected mushroom lps?