A Nightmare On Elm Street.

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@transparenteye7234
10 months ago
Instead of Freddy Kruger having mentioned like this, it should've been him as a psychedelic drug user in the 1960s turned drug dealer in the 1970s who became broke and lived in an abandoned building getting high on crystal meth and the place exploded from his drug use. Axl Rose should've been casted as young Freddy Kruger having been filmed doing those scenes in the 1987 Dream Warriors sequel.

 

[version]

Somehow none of the adults have this dream. They live in a totally separate world. They can't see or understand their kids' worlds. They don't put much effort in to trying.

Maybe they have lost their powers, in growing up. They have lost touch with the unseen forces.

You could pull in Peter Pan here. The most affecting scene in the Disney film from the 50s is at the end when the father recognises the silhouette of the ship in the sky and says he has a strange feeling he's seen the ship before when he was very young.

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[sus]

You could pull in Peter Pan here. The most affecting scene in the Disney film from the 60s is at the end when the father recognises the silhouette of the ship in the sky and says he has a strange feeling he's seen the ship before when he was very young.

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And the way his voice changes. Softens. Goes from hardened-closed to open-receptive.

 

[Murphy]

Lovely dreams tonight @sus

at the time of release was the film AND Freddie

Freddie grew annoying because he span off into endless Fangoria zines not that I ever bought or owned such degeneracy, more they went into his mythos, make-up, the actor I can’t remember the name of and these mags were everywhere, very Troma esque, kitsch if anything, Freddie costumes at Halloween, the glove hand

Ghost Busters level schtick

 

[0bleak]

Does anyone wrestle with something they experienced as a child, wanting to later dismiss it as something illogical, not rational, and/or could be explained away?

 

[luka]

good work Gus

 

[sus]

Thanks luke I took notes and everything to prepare I really wanted to say something useful

 

[sus]

I feel like by default unless I really decide to rise to the occasion and say something useful. Then I just say something completely useless and counterproductive. I think this is common probably

 

[luka]

I guess thus is what I meant, that everything supernatural is a metaphor for the mundane? And how it reminded me of Lynch, all the magical realism to say something very simple, about violence against women. Maybe all horror has this figurative quality, I dunno, I don't watch horror very often.

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the way the factory in metropolis is both factory, on the mundane plane, and Moloch or the mythic plane.




https://deepmeditationtherapy.blogspot.co.uk/

 

[luka]

so not necessarily metaphor, but two modes of seeing the same thing
like when blake contrasts sun is shiny coin and as angels in ecstatic song

 

[version]

One of the things you often get in this sort of story is a parental figure appearing as a monster in the dreamworld. Jumanji, Coraline, Paper House, Twin Peaks. My brother's said this irl about my dad. Apparently he used to show up in his dreams as a giant.

 

[luka]

i dont think the mundane is the 'true' level of eyes wide shut. or the false. its the same thing in 2 different modes of vision

 

[luka]

i think the deflationary analysis is wrong. thats my temperament.

 

[version]

i dont think the mundane is the 'true' level of eyes wide shut. or the false. its the same thing in 2 different modes of vision

Similar to the discussion early on in the Prynne thread re: Sontag and interpretation. What does it do? Whether or not it's "true", is it producing something true? That Foucault line from the desert again, The stars are raining down upon me. I know this is not true but it is the truth.

The symbolic layer, the dream, is the extension of the mundane. The mundane's the stone tossed into the pool, the ripples the dream. You can't completely separate the two. You die if you die in The Matrix.

 

[luka]

the mythic level in lynch gives violence aganst women its proper register and scope, as the expession of soemthing truly evil that shares the world of cherry pies with us

 

[luka]

corruption in eden itself that cant be ignored or wished away (ive just finished watching twin peaks season 1 as it gos)

 

[version]

I'm picturing the stuff discussed in 'dematerialistion' and 'morphosis' re: crossing a threshold and things sprouting, the violence producing a sort of wild growth into the psychic and symbolic realm, tendrils flying out all over the place. The end of Akira comes to mind, Tetsuo's body mutating out of control in response to what's happened to him.

 

[mvuent]

was going to try to contribute something to this thread but what i ended up with was so rambling and basically unrelated that i just put it here instead https://aloysiusplace.blogspot.com/2025/02/elm-street-tangents.html