Writers you hate
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Steven King does Dickens better. The only great British writers are Irish writers. As for the Scots, their writing is as inconsequential and embarrassing as their dwarven politics, get tae fuck!
wild greens
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I am writing a book and i hate everything i write does that count
One day, Wales might produce a writer. I reserve judgement until then.
I hate it when American writers pen a portrait of some smalltown merchant whose poor wife Alice died in childbirth, turned to drink, but found redemption in growing pumpkins that people talked about from Donaldsville to Crescentown. Awful, schmaltzy, over-familiar pissbilge.
Mr. Tea
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You hate my humour because it's too sophisticated for you to understand and it makes you feel like a lumpen durr-head.
luka
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i'll help you mate we'll go pub and i'll sort it out. im amazing at writing
wild greens
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The 2017 Coppa Italia final, mostly
jenks
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He committed fully to the Blakean line and rhythm and on his day he pulled it off but reading some of it now can be a bit cringey. I think he was too self consciously trying to be a visionary - whatever that is. But Howl is still magnificent
Mentioned the book on here a few times but sinclairs first book, kodak mantra diaries, is well worth getting hold of to get a sense of that moment when ginsberg was everything to almost everyone. The thrall in which he was held. And his simultaneous use and abuse of that position, which sinclair teases out very well.
wild greens
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That version post delete makes this page so confusing
jenks
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I’ve said it before but there can be a tendency with these things to just turn into “everything good is actually shit” often by people who haven’t actually done the reading. You wouldn’t put up with this lack of rigour in your ‘Javanese dubstep’ thread or whatever micro genre generates 480 pages of comment.
wild greens
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Not sure this works as a comparison tbh, think it's a lot easier in music to dismiss everything really quickly as it just doesn't align with your chemical make-up. I can tell if a song is "shit" often within about three seconds
Writers can go the other way sometimes, i have tried to read books that for fifty-seventy pages seem like a really interesting thing, right on my wavelength, then bang two "bad" chapters and no it's shit that can go the charity shop don't even want it in my house
That said i did read a Jackie Collins book on holiday once and you do realise there are real levels to just how shite things can be. Flew through it, mind
re moby-dick and melville...
if anyone can be arsed, i would recommend going through a few more of his books - i read omoo recently and it's a good way in to Moby-Dick I thought. Cos it's basically straight ethnography, or very good documentary style observation of his adventures on Tahiti. But not a lot else, there's not really much deep characterisation, certainly no sense of character that you get in Moby-Dick. So it's like he developed a bit. The odd passage has that revelatory/preacher type transcendent quality tho, like his rhapsody on coconut trees which i copied out
Cos I think Moby-Dick is elevated to classic status, so everyone reads just that, or maybe they'll also read Bartleby the scrivener, but his other novels are good too and give you a sense of the wider picture. He's just describing so much stuff all the time. I love it. Will probably read Typee which is the other Polynesian one. And Billy Budd is meant to be good as well.
And I like his writing generally, but I do understand that it's a bit odd too. kinda dense. But I just fell into it at a certain point, where you live with the characters and get to know their quirks and ways of speaking, you are inhabiting the same world as them. Same thing happened with Ulysses.
if anyone can be arsed, i would recommend going through a few more of his books - i read omoo recently and it's a good way in to Moby-Dick I thought. Cos it's basically straight ethnography, or very good documentary style observation of his adventures on Tahiti. But not a lot else, there's not really much deep characterisation, certainly no sense of character that you get in Moby-Dick. So it's like he developed a bit. The odd passage has that revelatory/preacher type transcendent quality tho, like his rhapsody on coconut trees which i copied out
Cos I think Moby-Dick is elevated to classic status, so everyone reads just that, or maybe they'll also read Bartleby the scrivener, but his other novels are good too and give you a sense of the wider picture. He's just describing so much stuff all the time. I love it. Will probably read Typee which is the other Polynesian one. And Billy Budd is meant to be good as well.
And I like his writing generally, but I do understand that it's a bit odd too. kinda dense. But I just fell into it at a certain point, where you live with the characters and get to know their quirks and ways of speaking, you are inhabiting the same world as them. Same thing happened with Ulysses.
Mr. Tea
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Good idea for a really pretentious novel, that. An acolyte of a gnomic internet forum user known only as The Archivist, who compulsively deletes his posts, attempts to reconstruct everything his idol has ever written, using only the responses to the deleted posts as a guide.
The foreword would make use of the word lacunæ.