WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
So Brexit started on May Day 2004 with EU expansion even though the ERG have been around, loitering with intent, for much longer? Can half see the point

Immigration “threats” came from multiple directions for the atypical pro Brexity types to hiss at, 2004’s political shift didn’t begin to become visible til 06/07, first self-owned shops near here as an example. Counties like Lincolnshire (nextdoor) have had seasonal agricultural workers as the norm for time. Does moving from agriculture to construction or hospitality incur gross national dissatisfaction?

Brits are hypocrites. Yes we love having cheaper fitted kitchens done in a day, as opposed to 2 like those Irish lackeys we used to use, but the Irish did go home a lot too to be fair, ie of their own accord, took the hint with 99’s GFA, yet these Slavs dare to stay position?

From memory, the escalation and rhetoric really dialled up a gear with lining up Turkey joining the EU during a recoiling migration crisis, hence Brexit as confluence as much as process. Britannia wanted to pull up the drawbridge after having its rape and eating it for 400 years and now we’re all hoping Catalog mails home some tomatoes
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
"its the cause of brexit one way or the other."

Well it's definitely one of them, a big one. Certainly if you took away all the votes predicated on opposition to East European immigration then it seems very unlikely that Leave would have has enough votes to win the referendum - so in that sense it was a decisive issue.

Of course, if you have a referendum where the winning side got fifty-one percent then every single vote was crucial and so, if you accept the argument above, then pretty much every issue could be considered decisive.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
It's clear that opposition to mass immigration, which isn't inherently racist but often is in practice, has become mixed up with a general anti-Islam prejudice, so you have things like this...

Cheers for neatening that up, at times I do have this unexamined prejudice against racism and nationalism and a number of other -isms that I find distasteful and so, as above, I just lazily lump them all together, not making the effort to untangle their strands, and dismiss them as one ugly whole. But, although they are close relatives and often occur together, they are of course not the same things and I'm glad someone else has bothered to make the effort and applied the precision to discriminate between them.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Cheers for neatening that up, at times I do have this unexamined prejudice against racism and nationalism and a number of other -isms that I find distasteful and so, as above, I just lazily lump them all together, not making the effort to untangle their strands, and dismiss them as one ugly whole. But, although they are close relatives and often occur together, they are of course not the same things and I'm glad someone else has bothered to make the effort and applied the precision to discriminate between them.
Yes, very good, but the point is that "I voted Leave cos there's too many Muslims here" doesn't even make sense, while "I voted Leave cos there's too many Poles" does - regardless of how you feel about with those prejudices.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Yes, very good, but the point is that "I voted Leave cos there's too many Muslims here" doesn't even make sense, while "I voted Leave cos there's too many Poles" does - regardless of how you feel about with those prejudices.
I actually wasn't being sarcastic then.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
But since then it seemed there was a kind of freeze on any discussion but which is gradually being relaxed. I guess you can only deny and ignore reality for so long.
 

version

Well-known member
Yeah, I'm just responding to Derbyshire's line of questioning. She's presenting it as though nobody could have known that was a likelihood when it was more a case of willful ignorance as plenty of people said that's exactly what would happen and were waved away.

The change of tone is maddening though and shows how uncoupled the coverage and debate are from actual events, much like Hancock's picking and choosing when to break the news of a new COVID variant.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Yeah, I'm just responding to Derbyshire's line of questioning. She's presenting it as though nobody could have known that was a likelihood when it was more a case of willful ignorance as plenty of people said that's exactly what would happen and were waved away.

The change of tone is maddening though and shows how uncoupled the coverage and debate are from actual events, much like Hancock's picking and choosing when to break the news of a new COVID variant.
Stop remoaning about it you remainiac, just fucking deal with it!


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