The Coming Authoritarianism.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
Totally. I'm just saying that because the position (that meaningful differences can be made "above" the roots) can be taken, we aren't at a total loss of positions to take, regarding progress.
sus
Moderator
Typically the justifications for e.g. bailing out the auto industry is that it would cause enormous strain on workers, local economies, etc. I'm on the side of Taleb that these bailouts cause long-term harm by essentially insuring risk, and thereby incentivizing risk-taking behavior. But it seems like when you're talking about bailing out massive companies, you're not just talking about saving the jobs of executives, yeah?
constant escape
winter withered, warm
Or at least, its essence doesn't have anything to do with humans. Humans are superstructural, and can still play an influential role, just not the ultimate arbiters of such developments.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
Meaningful progress yes. Any attempts outside (or against) the capitalist system would be palliative, symptom-treating, reactive - or even worse, merely mopping up the blood on the linoleum.
shiels
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what does that mean. i dont know. is it just a dramatic way to frame things, would sound cool from the mouth of a young man in a scifi movie
vimothy
yurp
hence accelerationism
vimothy
yurp
this is pure ideology posing as its obverse
constant escape
winter withered, warm
Well it does involve fundamental position-taking, and if I seem like I'm trying to pass it off as non-ideological, I should clarify/admit that it is ideological (insofar as ideology requires position taking, as opposed to sustained ambivalence).
constant escape
winter withered, warm
As we understand these things now, yeah. Perhaps one sphere emerges from the previous, but once that happens enough, surely some kind of patterns can be spotted. That is, how the psychic/psychological emerges from the neurological, or how the cultural emerges from the psychological (if we can make such an argument). Even if these things (economics, history) are emergent spheres, they still emerge from something, even if they aren't absolutely reducible to that something.
Perhaps, an understanding of emergence, and other such dense and abstract things, might let us link our understandings of things as seemingly disparate as economics and physics.
And the ideology that I'm coming from, now, is cosmological, and that increased order and organization seem to take cosmic priority over morality. That doesn't mean that increasing organization doesn't or shouldn't have to reckon with morality, but it does mean that, ultimately, morality (or anything human for that matter) isn't the driving force.
I have a tough time, sometimes, getting out of this ideology, and am frequently guilty, as you point out, of masquerading as if I was under no ideology at all.
vimothy
yurp
notice also that were talking about your ideology - but from an ultra materialist POV ideology is meaningless, your behaviour is completely determined by material preconditions. your ideological position is undercut by the fact that it is an ideological position: if your ideology is correct you cant have an ideology