The Coming Authoritarianism.

Mr. Tea

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Leo said:
Good read about Blake the Snake, I imagine at least a few here would vote for him if they lived in Arizona...

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Opinion | The Violent Fantasies of Blake Masters (Published 2022)

His bizarre, menacing vision for American politics could well define the future of his party.
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I skimmed the start of this the other day, but have actually dug into it now, and I did a double take when I read the bit about

In his speech, Mr. Masters attacked “a small minority of hard-core Democratic Party activists” who, he said, “control newspapers and television and schools and universities — and you better believe they control Big Tech, too,” framing the race as a battle against “the cartels,” “giant global corporations” and “a system that’s actively trying to destroy families.”
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He is the well-groomed avatar of a hard-right Silicon Valley brain trust, including his former employer, the billionaire investor Peter Thiel, and an array of farseeing, anti-democratic titans of industry
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It's exactly like Tucker Carlson wanking on about conservative voices being cancelled in the left-liberal-dominated media in his prime spot on Fox News, or Toby Young saying the same in his leader opinion piece in the Daily Telegraph.
 
pattycakes_

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@Mr. Tea genuine question: is it always wrong just because the right share some classically left talking points? Is everything the right say immediately off the table now, lest ye be labelled a Tory? Because the amount of overlap, or at least shit the left used to hold dear has now been flipped. For a lazy fuck like me who can't be arsed to delve it seems as though this would be a perfect way for 'they' to quell a whole bunch of opposition. Not that we believe in a they, because only a Tory would ever suspect such a thing. But do you get my drift? Seems like an awkward rock and hard place type scenario.
 
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I was reading about this last night. Srinavasan argues that the left and right adopt the other's posture all the time, recasting policies and positions as they go. Revolutionary mode or conservative mode, depending on whether they're seeking power or holding onto it.

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Left is the New Right is the New Left | The Network State

Marx’s revolutionary classes won, and became ruling classes, and went on to fight the subsequent revolutionary classes.
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Mr. Tea

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pattycakes_ said:
@Mr. Tea genuine question: is it always wrong just because the right share some classically left talking points? Is everything the right say immediately off the table now, lest ye be labelled a Tory? Because the amount of overlap, or at least shit the left used to hold dear has now been flipped. For a lazy fuck like me who can't be arsed to delve it seems as though this would be a perfect way for 'they' to quell a whole bunch of opposition. Not that we believe in a they, because only a Tory would ever suspect such a thing. But do you get my drift? Seems like an awkward rock and hard place type scenario.
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I don't think I do, no. Can you give an example of something you think used to be a left-wing value but is now more important to the right?

And I wasn't talking about left-right crossover or anything like that. My point is: do you think the right-wing view of the world, with "lefties" of one sort or another running businesses, the media, blah blah blah - is accurate? Look at the UK in particular. Is it fair, do you think, to say "the media" in general is left-wing? Or, to give a specific issue, anti-Brexit?
 
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It's funny, though - these right-wing complaints about what they call "the Cathedral" remind me somehow of Mark Fisher's "vampires' castle."
 
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Anti-capitalism as a right-wing value? The GOP and Tories don't kneel at alter of business anymore, is that what you're saying?

Also, the right voted a fucking quasi (though luckily incompetent) authoritarian wannabe as president here, and want to do so again.
 
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Leo said:
Anti-capitalism as a right-wing value? The GOP and Tories don't kneel at alter of business anymore, is that what you're saying?

Also, the right voted a fucking quasi (though luckily incompetent) authoritarian wannabe as president here, and want to do so again.
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The very article that triggered this discussion was about some gun-fucking fascist lunatic who wants a "Caesar" to rule America with absolute authority, so that business can be done and money made without any impediments such as democratic legitimacy or human rights.

But Biccies thinks the Right is all about standing up for the little guy in the face of LIBERAL TYRANNY.
 
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Oh yeah, the thoroughly anti-capitalist modern right. Who also hate authority in all its forms.

You're good for a laugh, biscuits, I'll give you that.
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There's a distinction between right-wingers with power and powerless average Joes - there are more anti-capitalists among the men in the street on the right than on the left now, as is evident from attitudes towards Big Pharma.
 
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mixed_biscuits said:
There's a distinction between right-wingers with power and powerless average Joes
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There is something to be said for this point. However, I think its clear that wealthy capitalist right-wingers can overcome any such aversion among average joes, by simply appealing to cultural values and colloquially passing as "one of us"
 
Mr. Tea

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mixed_biscuits said:
There's a distinction between right-wingers with power and powerless average Joes - there are more anti-capitalists among the men in the street on the right than on the left now, as is evident from attitudes towards Big Pharma.
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Those average Joes aren't powerless, though. They have votes. And anyone who complains about "corporations" but then votes for right-wing candidates, whose parties are going to do everything they possibly can to reduce taxes and regulations for the benefit of corporations, isn't an "anti-capitalist."

This right-wing pseudo-socialism is always based on culture-wars bollocks rather than economics, which is why it's pseudo-. You lot hate Bill Gates because of his vaccine philanthropy, but also think the sun shines out of Elon Musk's asrsehole, and he's currently more than twice as rich as Gates. So it's very obviously not about money at all.
 
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Those average Joes aren't powerless, though. They have votes. And anyone who complains about "corporations" but then votes for right-wing candidates, whose parties are going to do everything they possibly can to reduce taxes and regulations for the benefit of corporations, isn't an "anti-capitalist."

This right-wing pseudo-socialism is always based on culture-wars bollocks rather than economics, which is why it's pseudo-. You lot hate Bill Gates because of his vaccine philanthropy, but also think the sun shines out of Elon Musk's asrsehole, and he's currently more than twice as rich as Gates. So it's very obviously not about money at all.
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No, it's not about money; it's about freedom, maan - which the old left actually cared about once upon a time
 
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