The Last Flowering of the Future

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forclosure

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woops said:
Vast useless experience, liberation of irrelevance, inability to care about anything. So many cares and worries are revealed as a waste of time. Older people begin to look better and talk less bollocks
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i await the responses to this
 
luka

luka

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i would say i've had a three or four nice times in my life and theyve all lasted for about a year or two. and ive had a few horrible times. but the vast majority of my life has been boring. i would assume this is fairly standard.
 
woops

woops

is not like other people
luka said:
i would say i've had a three or four nice times in my life and theyve all lasted for about a year or two. and ive had a few horrible times. but the vast majority of my life has been boring. i would assume this is fairly standard.
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all the nice and horrible bits presumably totally accidental and unplanned or unarranged
 
luka

luka

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although when things are going well i do tend to think, that's it, i've found the forumla, i can just stay here forever now, i'll never make those old mistakes again,
 
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0bleak

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whoever wrote that article - it's hard to take anything they say seriously when they write "flashiest breakcore acts like DJ Kuroneko" and "femtanyl's frantically mashed-up breakcore" which just sounds and looks like the kind of childish kiddie aesthetics that pretty much killed breakcore in the first place decades ago - how old is this person that they think breakbeats+pop music+compression/overdrive/distortion is anything new or exciting?
 
wektor

wektor

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0bleak said:
whoever wrote that article - it's hard to take anything they say seriously when they write "flashiest breakcore acts like DJ Kuroneko" and "femtanyl's frantically mashed-up breakcore" which just sounds and looks like the kind of childish kiddie aesthetics that pretty much killed breakcore in the first place decades ago - how old is this person that they think breakbeats+pop music+compression/overdrive/distortion is anything new or exciting?
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seconding this
 
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version

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The breakcore thing's something I've run into before with younger people. I think there's this idea it's newer than it is, maybe because of the name. It feels a bit like what happened with dubstep where a new strain emerged in the US and the people exposed to it for the first time took it for the genre as a whole and something more recent than it was.

Some of the other non-breakcore tunes linked in that article are pretty mad though. Case in point...

 
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version

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0bleak said:
I don't see that in the article?
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It wasn't embedded. It was hyperlinked in the text.

"Just like funk, the Tanzanian electronic genre twitches with sonic stimuli that makes gabber sound sedate. Some tunes hit like an arcade's worth of game machines have come alive and declared war against humans."
 
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version

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It's difficult to imagine transplanting a genre like baile funk without wide-scale appreciation and fluency in its cultural surroundings. To really transfer and take off, you'd need to bring over not just the DJ, but the entire crowd and dance floor energy, so the uninitiated understand the full spectrum of the movement. Otherwise, the whole context of rituals, slang and local meaning will be flattened into a gentrified version of the culture. Hopefully, there comes a point when the Global North's electronic music industry wakes up to the genius scattered across these diverse countries and digital backwaters.
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This is the trade off, really. If you want the industry in the picture then these genres will inevitably be gentrified and discarded when something new takes the stage. Hopefully some of the original producers and promoters can make some money in that time, but there's a good chance they get ripped off and pushed to the sidelines.

The point about not being able to bring the entire culture along with it is somewhat reassuring, tbh. I like that there's stuff out there that escapes the interchangeability I associate with everything being online. If the stuff ever does break out of Brazil, Tanzania, etc. then the fact the culture can't be entirely replicated is what will lead to new developments and mutations anyway.

Regardless, I've not keen on the way these genres are packaged and marketed over here. I remember the Shangaan Electro stuff getting a few releases on Honest Jons, some Boomkat reviews and maybe an RA feature then disappearing from sight. It's all a bit cynical and frivolous. These scenes get picked up like someone working their way through a wine tasting.
 
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thirdform

pass the sick bucket
interesting how the conversation seems to be stuck in the same old limbo of reappropriation of surplus technologies.

Would be more interesting if a kind of free jazz like electroacoustic movement relying on collective collaboration with no defining artistic individual was being ignored by the industry, but then that would mean less Bourdieu and pedantic cultural studies french theory.

Maybe then the question should be, why cannot people 'imagine' the future?
 
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version

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thirdform said:
interesting how the conversation seems to be stuck in the same old limbo of reappropriation of surplus technologies.

Would be more interesting if a kind of free jazz like electroacoustic movement relying on collective collaboration with no defining artistic individual was being ignored by the industry, but then that would mean less Bourdieu and pedantic cultural studies french theory.

Maybe then the question should be, why cannot people 'imagine' the future?
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The line about Phonk being ignored because the producers are all faceless digital entities going viral via TikTok sounded much more futuristic to me than getting them on the festival circuit. If anything, that could be dragging them back into the past.
 
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thirdform

pass the sick bucket
0bleak said:
whoever wrote that article - it's hard to take anything they say seriously when they write "flashiest breakcore acts like DJ Kuroneko" and "femtanyl's frantically mashed-up breakcore" which just sounds and looks like the kind of childish kiddie aesthetics that pretty much killed breakcore in the first place decades ago - how old is this person that they think breakbeats+pop music+compression/overdrive/distortion is anything new or exciting?
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femtanyl

oh I hope that journalist is reading this forum and sees my review of that femtanyl record that I posted to rym, but now going to post on here.


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more ironic internet hyper-reification over the corpse of breakcore; constantly taken out of the grave and given a repeated punch of death, only for the showpeace to retain a strange kind of double existence. rinse and repeat this ritual every 3 years. Breakcore was once an interesting development of the techier ends of jungle (think scud/ambush/Amputate etc) even crossing with the weirder ends of electronica like undacova/Somatic Responses. But the days of this art form (pre-codification) expressing any kind of aesthetic forward movement (it was never as racially progressive or radical as the supposedly apolitical hardcore-jjungle scene of the UK that its late-blooming punky fans never bothered to seriously invest in) are long since over. The shouty philosemitic antideutsch Hitlerite nincompoops over at Atari Teenage Riot were crowned victorious and anarchist anti-authoritarian indiscipline once again smashed our heads in with the same old police-state rock n roll truncheon. 'The Power of the armed masses is no longer a state in the usual sense of the word', and here you clasp in a warm embrace with liberalism over your boner for democratic cretinism. Good job!
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actually, I think only @dilbert1 and @other_life will understand this review. :/
 
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