Keir Starmer

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wild greens said:
If that was the case, and Keir's proposal was for everyone to do DMT at 8:30 after clapping for an NHS pay freeze then it would at least be an idea
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It could be the elusive 'Big Idea' everybody is supposed to peddle now.

The political pundits who say this are idiots. There hasn't been a 'Big Idea' in British politics since Thatcher. The big idea before that was the 1945 Labour Party manifesto. You can't just think, "we need a Big Idea" and then design one. It doesn't work like that, which is why The Third Way and the Big Society turned out to be empty PR exercises.
 
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The Labour Party should dissolve itself. Too much baggage.

I mean New Labour tried to do this, even to the point of considering merger with the Liberal Democrats, but their failure has just left this steaming, burnt-out husk filled with historical reenactors indulging old grievances and parasitic professionals incubated in think tank labs.
 
john eden

john eden

male pale and stale
craner said:
The Labour Party should dissolve itself. Too much baggage.

I mean New Labour tried to do this, even to the point of considering merger with the Liberal Democrats, but their failure has just left this steaming, burnt-out husk filled with historical reenactors indulging old grievances and parasitic professionals incubated in think tank labs.
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It won't though will it?

There will probably be another piss-poor trot-infested attempt to forge a new party of the left though, so that will be fun to watch.
 
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john eden said:
It won't though will it?

There will probably be another piss-poor trot-infested attempt to forge a new party of the left though, so that will be fun to watch.
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Of course it won't. It's a recognisable brand, however toxic and busted, and there are too many careers to maintain. There was an exodus of unemployed Labour Party staff getting jobs in the Third Sector when the Scottish Labour Party imploded. That was traumatic enough for the Labour "movement".
 
john eden

john eden

male pale and stale
craner said:
Of course it won't. It's a recognisable brand, however toxic and busted, and there are too many careers to maintain. There was an exodus of unemployed Labour Party staff getting jobs in the Third Sector when the Scottish Labour Party imploded.
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That technocrat careerist stuff is what people REALLY hate I think - at least Boris looks like he is having a laugh.
 
IdleRich

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IdleRich
I see the Labour Party as standing for "We are basically like the Tories but not quite as bad" - which at the moment you'd think would be a winning position.
 
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craner said:
It could be the elusive 'Big Idea' everybody is supposed to peddle now.

The political pundits who say this are idiots. There hasn't been a 'Big Idea' in British politics since Thatcher. The big idea before that was the 1945 Labour Party manifesto. You can't just think, "we need a Big Idea" and then design one. It doesn't work like that, which is why The Third Way and the Big Society turned out to be empty PR exercises.
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I'm not asking for a big idea, don't believe in current labour really, would just like an opposition with a backbone and even a loose concept. used my pointless vote in a tory stronghold to vote green, a lot of this is ineffectual anyway

but- politics should be fluid, everchanging society all that shite. most of the decisions from parliament during a pandemic were effectively populist socialism albeit with a forced hand. there's just nothing to the lad to draw anyone in is there, no grit no glamour, and it's not like you can say he hasn't had his opportunities. boring. what have they got to say for themselves
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Worthwhile article about Labour's failure in the context of social change that exists entirely outside party politics:

Conflict always commands attention, and Labour factionalism is a gift for headline-writers. But in Hartlepool—as in Scotland before it—it is a distraction because Labour’s collapse is not principally about anything that is happening inside Labour at all. Since the serious rot set in north of the border in the 2011 Holyrood elections, Scottish Labour has tried every flavour of leader, from trade union leftist Richard Leonard to Blairite outrider Jim Murphy, along with various semi-political modernisers and machine fixers. None of it has made any difference, because some things—in this context, nationalism—are simply bigger than Labour.
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https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/labour-party-hartlepool-by-election-result
 
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I am waiting for someone on twitter to make a video with those Cummings tweets delivered in Adam curtis' voice
 
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