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Trollung? The German Idealist foundation for trolling?
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Mr. Tea
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Norwegians ought to be the best at trolling, when you think about it.
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Muggle.
chava
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It invalidates the other if it is read as an intersectional reality, as in the experience of alienation is caused by oppression only.
version
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Judith Butler on the culture wars, JK Rowling and living in “anti-intellectual times”
The philosopher and gender theorist discusses tensions in the feminist movement over trans rights
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Judith Butler on the culture wars, JK Rowling and living in “anti-intellectual times”
The philosopher and gender theorist discusses tensions in the feminist movement over trans rights
"My wager is [x]" is a good way of saying that, of prefacing assertions that aren't intended to be foundational.
edit: also this is well put
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chava
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AF: You weren't a signatory to the open letter on “cancel culture” in Harper’s this summer, but did its arguments resonate with you?
JB: I have mixed feelings about that letter. On the one hand, I am an educator and writer and believe in slow and thoughtful debate. I learn from being confronted and challenged, and I accept that I have made some significant errors in my public life. If someone then said I should not be read or listened to as a result of those errors, well, I would object internally, since I don't think any mistake a person made can, or should, summarise that person. We live in time; we err, sometimes seriously; and if we are lucky, we change precisely because of interactions that let us see things differently.
On the other hand, some of those signatories were taking aim at Black Lives Matter as if the loud and public opposition to racism were itself uncivilised behaviour. Some of them have opposed legal rights for Palestine. Others have [allegedly] committed sexual harassment. And yet others do not wish to be challenged on their racism. Democracy requires a good challenge, and it does not always arrive in soft tones. So I am not in favour of neutralising the strong political demands for justice on the part of subjugated people. When one has not been heard for decades, the cry for justice is bound to be loud.
She's obviously afraid to be guilty by association; not surprising for these incestuous academic types. Coward.
JB: I have mixed feelings about that letter. On the one hand, I am an educator and writer and believe in slow and thoughtful debate. I learn from being confronted and challenged, and I accept that I have made some significant errors in my public life. If someone then said I should not be read or listened to as a result of those errors, well, I would object internally, since I don't think any mistake a person made can, or should, summarise that person. We live in time; we err, sometimes seriously; and if we are lucky, we change precisely because of interactions that let us see things differently.
On the other hand, some of those signatories were taking aim at Black Lives Matter as if the loud and public opposition to racism were itself uncivilised behaviour. Some of them have opposed legal rights for Palestine. Others have [allegedly] committed sexual harassment. And yet others do not wish to be challenged on their racism. Democracy requires a good challenge, and it does not always arrive in soft tones. So I am not in favour of neutralising the strong political demands for justice on the part of subjugated people. When one has not been heard for decades, the cry for justice is bound to be loud.
She's obviously afraid to be guilty by association; not surprising for these incestuous academic types. Coward.
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Mr. Tea
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I dunno, it seems a fairly measured and sensible response to me.
Benny Bunter
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Thought this thread was a good response
padraig (u.s.)
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seems like yr basic TERF party line i.e.
being against trans exclusion is somehow "marginalizing female people who center female people in the movement for female liberation"
("female people" here obviously excluding trans women)
trans women are just men looking for an excuse to sexually assault cis women
we're not the bad essentialists actually you are
etc
so how much truck you have with it will coincide with how much truck you have with that party line
not that I'm cosigning everything Judith Butler has ever done or said, including in that interview
but that Twitter thread ain't breaking any new ground
Mr. Tea
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Good point, maybe we'll eventually make some real progress by just rehashing things that have been said a million times over already.
luka
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I believe that we will make progress by doing, not by finding a magical argument
luka
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By trying to balance different peoples wants and fears and hopes and expectations. No argument is going to make my mum less disgusted outraged and appalled to find what she thinks of a man in the women's toilet. But if it keeps happening perhaps she will stop chasing them out. Or perhaps she won't.