rave era as recapitulation of the sixties

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luka said:
I don't think anyone here would claim to have a well-adjusted personality!
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apart from you of course. which is why you always castigate techstep and so on. even though it's rave realism. You want to live in a dreamworld but london has rejected your dreamworld. noone cares about the hardcore continuum anymore, just sad fuckers like me.

It's like, anyone who believes in the power of fantasies is insecure. why on earth are you going to a club to be hedonistic after a weeks worth of hard graft? we're all insecure to an extent, even the darkside champion like myself. We all had to start somewhere, the sweeping happy strings of disco, piano hardcore, happy hardcore. but when the fantasy dies,then what. that's when it gets interesting.
 
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Drugs have changed my life irrevocably more than once. Press the reset button. Transformed me.
 
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When one fantasy dies, another takes its place. We are never without fantasies. We are fantasy.
 
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People that use psychedelics are disgusting. I share your disgust. They're not my people. I don't mind if you want to give them a kicking
 
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luka said:
Uh, yeah, I guess so. Sure, why not, I'll claim that!
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Well as someone who grew up in a religious household I don't think psychedelics have ever come close to the congregation reaching a collective level of brotherhood and spiritual elevation.

I did reject religion as it is practised today, but that's another question of course.
 
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You kick away. White robbed wiccans. New age puréed kale people. Microdose start-up interns I don't associate with them. I'm not answerable for them. I don't endorse them.
 
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thirdform said:
ok, brilliant, cheers.
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I went to this psychedelic conference last year and my heart sank and I felt so alone and deflated. Disgusting flakes and degenerates, completely delusional. It almost put me off drugs for good and I decided then that nothing good is going to come out of that lot, ever, under any circumstances. I think Shiels was maybe there too.
 
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luka said:
It's true though innit. You know it's true. We're just stories. There's no real to burrow down to or to be left exposed on the cold hard floor of, sobbing.
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yeah but that's why I prefer the actor. Jeru is quite good in that regard compared to Tricky. Jeru is a sufi, Tricky is an anglican.
 
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But for rare individuals like me who have rare and highly refined abilities and perceptions it's different. That's why I am allowed to take them and why they work well for me. I am an expert in the insides of the world. It's why I'm famous.
 
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Matthew said:
i like jeremy deller i do. and there's nice footage in there.

but to reduce rave to a specific political perspective? to try and cram it into a tiny iron box like that? SURELY anyone can see it was a lot more complicated. thank god it was a WHOLE LOT DEEPER than that...

i don't even want to go into it - like luke says it's a turn off - but the knots deller ties himsely up in when he talks about paul staines/guido fawkes crystallise it.

and to return to the thread's point. the sixties wasn't the SDS and the new left. and the sixties was a whole lot more avowedly political than the rave era ever was.
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I didn’t see it as Adam Curtis level world understander stuff. It was a bit more personal, and the format was basically a slightly needy sub teacher trying to convince disinterested and disconnected kids of the importance of old and weird culture, I liked that because in that approach is the acceptance of his single point perspective, sentimentality and the ambiguity etc. And to the point of playing down the drugs... that’s obviously intentional (and prob key consideration in yeh format he chose) because of the conservative knee jerk reactions around drugs and their influence evident in this thread and tabloids
 
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schizophrenia is the cognitive dissonance of the person who realises that society doesn't permit for the actor to guide the stuffy teacher. the teacher is a man of knowledge, but not a donner of guises.
 
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thirdform said:
schizophrenia is the cognitive dissonance of the person who realises that society doesn't permit for the actor to guide the stuffy teacher. the teacher is a man of knowledge, but not a donner of guises.
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I like the donner of guises too. It's what I like best. Dinner of donner of
 
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shiels said:
I didn’t see it as Adam Curtis level world understander stuff. It was a bit more personal, and the format was basically a slightly needy sub teacher trying to convince disinterested and disconnected kids of the importance of old and weird culture, I liked that because in that approach is the acceptance of his single point perspective, sentimentality and the ambiguity etc. And to the point of playing down the drugs... that’s obviously intentional (and prob key consideration in yeh format he chose) because of the conservative knee jerk reactions around drugs and their influence evident in this thread and tabloids
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it's quite weird. ravers hate the bbc as the establishment but then want them to talk more about drugs. i thought him not talking about drugs was the only bloody good thing about it! the rest of it was just art about art. boring and derivative. not a tragedy by any intent, just unappetising.
 
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