Is history cyclical?

[Murphy]

i hate it

he hates when wants,
he hates when he waaaaaaaants,
he's Luka,
he hates when he wants.

 

[luka]

shiels is always discriminating against me cos of my orange order cultural background.

 

[Murphy]

Och dear, there's no therapy for that.

 

[catalog]

joyce has something to say about what shiels was saying, putting our thoughts over things, but its very hard to understand

 

[shiels]

In Ulysses?

 

[catalog]

In Ulysses?

Yeah, Ulysses. I just read a page and a half about it yesterday and I'm sure he was saying this, basically he's talking about the Fermi paradox in his own words, I think, but he's saying we are projecting ourselves onto the universe too much, to think there's something else out there, or there's a system.

I'll go back and read it again tonight and if it seems to be saying this, I'll post some more about it.

 

[catalog]

No it's saying something else really

 

[catalog]

I think Joyce will say something about cycles or circles in this last 100 pages.

 

[version]

Isn't Finnegans Wake based around cycles too?

 

[luka]

yaeah sort of based on Vico

 

[entertainment]

It's a nice thread but I've been vaccinated against all forms of historicism from reading Popper early on, so I can't play along.

 

[catalog]

He does have something interesting and vaguely poetic to say about the past, present and future

 

[version]

I need to reread that Beckett thing on FW,

Dante… Bruno, Vico… Joyce

By Samuel Beckett The danger is in the neatness of identifications. The conception of Philosophy and Philology as a pair of nigger minstrels out of the Teatro dei Piccoli is soothing, like the con…

bibliot3ca.com

 

[luka]

no idea what historicism or popper means but sounds boring

 

[version]

I need to reread that Beckett thing on FW,

Dante… Bruno, Vico… Joyce

By Samuel Beckett The danger is in the neatness of identifications. The conception of Philosophy and Philology as a pair of nigger minstrels out of the Teatro dei Piccoli is soothing, like the con…

bibliot3ca.com

It follows that History is neither to be considered as a formless structure, due exclusively to the achievements of individual agents, nor as possessing reality apart from and independent of them, accomplished behind their backs in spite of them, the work of some superior force,

 

[version]

no idea what historicism or popper means but sounds boring

Karl Popper.

 

[entertainment]

no idea what historicism or popper means but sounds boring

He's saying that it's wrong to attribute any laws to the progression of history. He traces that line of historicist thinking from Plato to Marx

 

[version]

I was talking about Plato with someone the other day and called him "Platato" as a joke and now I can't get it out of my head.

 

[luka]

He's saying that it's wrong to attribute any laws to the progression of history. He traces that line of historicist thinking from Plato to Marx

sounds boring. spoils a lot of fun. surely you dont feel beholden to that boring point of view?

 

[catalog]

I was looking at a leaf yesterday and I thought it's like a tear drop, or a comma. It's a circle but something else is emerging from it