Originality?

[sufi]

What's the most original bit of music?
Was it worth it?

 

[mvuent]

yes.

 

[pattycakes_]

Love that Dali painting. Perhaps one of the most original painters?

When it comes to original music, are we talking regardless of time or for its time?

 

[sufi]

Is there less space for originality in more recent times?

What makes originality a success factor for music?

 

[sufi]

yes.

This may be the correct answer

 

[mvuent]

Is there less space for originality in more recent times?

it sure seems like in a superficial sense there is less space, right? like, you can't stretch the boundaries of music by making a composition that's just silence. nowhere further to go in that direction, surely. but maybe that's only one way to approach originality...

 

[mixed_biscuits]

Need to extend the sensory ambit of art to connect with us in our entirety, exploiting touch, electricity, magnetism, invisible flicker, microwaves

 

[luka]

Need to extend the sensory ambit of art to connect with us in our entirety, exploiting touch, electricity, magnetism, invisible flicker, microwaves

it already does

 

[mixed_biscuits]

I must be leading a sheltered life.

 

[william kent]

it sure seems like in a superficial sense there is less space, right? like, you can't stretch the boundaries of music by making a composition that's just silence. nowhere further to go in that direction, surely. but maybe that's only one way to approach originality...

4:33 probably is one of the most original pieces of music though.

 

[sufi]

4:33 probably is one of the most original pieces of music though.

also an oldie though

 

[luka]

and its a cheap kind of originality. like painting an all black canvas.

 

[william kent]

also an oldie though

So is that Stockhausen tune.

 

[mvuent]

4:33 probably is one of the most original pieces of music though.

imo it is and it isn't. there's a part of me that's wary of that whole "orginality = recontextualizing something familiar as Art" game. it's just stamping your name on something that's been around forever. people didn't start hearing ambient sound as "musical" with john cage. whereas i genuinely don't think there was any sonic experience much like gesang 10 years before it was created.

 

[luka]

originality you want to be, say in visual art, you want it to be the concrete representation of a new way of seeing.

 

[william kent]

What were Stockhausen's influences and how far does he stray from or push them in that piece?

 

[luka]

mcluhan makes a big thing of perspective being a new way to percieve the world. almost as if it were creating a new reality. i think you could make a similar case for impressionism and cubism. in a slightly different way you can talk about the romantics creating the aesthetic effects of the sublime. landscape artists the aesthetic effects of landscapes. whistler and the night. all this kind of thing.

 

[mvuent]

What were Stockhausen's influences and how far does he stray from or push them in that piece?

debussy, schoenberg, messiaen, airplane flight

none of which could be confused with his music i don't think

 

[william kent]

Are we distinguishing between something completely new and subversion and rearrangement?

 

[mvuent]

hmm. wouldn't the most original be the former?